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(/) The Verge The Verge logo. Sep 4, 2025, 12:30 PM UTC W hen When armies invade, hurricanes form, or governments fall, a Wikipedia editor will typically update the relevant articles seconds after the news breaks. So quick are editors to change \u201cis\u201d to \u201cwas\u201d in cases of notable deaths that they are said to have the fastest past tense in the West. So it was unusual, according to one longtime editor who was watching the page, that on the afternoon of January 20th, 2025, hours after Elon Musk made a gesture resembling a Nazi salute at a rally following President Donald Trump\u2019s inauguration and well into the ensuing public outcry, no one had added the incident to the encyclopedia. Then, just before 4PM, an editor by the name of PickleG13 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elon_Musk&diff=prev&oldid=1270703286#mw-diffpage-visualdiff-cite_note-597) added a single sentence to Musk\u2019s 8,600-word biography: \u201cMusk appeared to perform a Nazi salute,\u201d citing an article in The Jerusalem Post . In a note explaining the change, the editor wrote, \u201cThis controversy will be debated, but it does appear and is being reported that Musk may have performed a Hitler salute.\u201d Two minutes later, another editor deleted the line for violating Wikipedia\u2019s stricter standards for unflattering information in biographies of living people. But PickleG13 was correct. That evening, as the controversy over the gesture became a vortex of global attention, another editor called for an official discussion about whether it deserved to be recorded in Wikipedia. At first, the debate on the article\u2019s \u201ctalk page,\u201d where editors discuss changes, was much the same as the one playing out across social media and press: it was obviously a Nazi salute vs. Subscribe to The Verge to continue reading. (/) The Verge The Verge logo. (https://www.facebook.com/verge) Facebook (https://www.threads.net/@verge) Threads (https://www.instagram.com/verge) Instagram (https://www.youtube.com/user/theverge) Youtube (https://www.theverge.com/rss/index.xml) RSS \u00a9 2025(https://www.voxmedia.com) Vox Media , LLC. All Rights Reserved Continue reading with a Verge subscription Holiday sale: $5/month for full access to The Verge\u2019s reporting and ad-free podcasts LET'S GO Already a subscriber? 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