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Remedies are based on traditional protocols that frequently have been proven by scientific research and significant experience to be ineffective, or worse, counterproductive. These questionable paradigms extend to a basic misunderstanding of fire ecology, burn frequency, type conversion, etc. The models reflect conflagrations as fuel-driven, rather than wind-driven. The result has been wholesale clearing of ecosystems, unmitigated habitat destruction, and portrayal of native plants as the \"boogeyman\" to be eliminated. Experience and science have proven otherwise. Greg will educate participants on how we can change our perceptions, and use native plants to actually protect communities and homes while maintaining habitat and year-round beauty, while also promoting lower maintenance, low water use, and superior erosion control, This is a WIN-WIN solution. \u2026 ...more ...more Show less Transcript Follow along using the transcript. 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() Reject all () Accept all () (https://consent.youtube.com/d?continue=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D8SsUIgIqJjY%26cbrd%3D1&gl=GB&m=0&pc=yt&cm=2&hl=en&src=2) More options (https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en) Privacy Policy \u2022 (https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en) Terms of Service " ], "output": "htmltotext.txt", "pwd": "/data/archive/1751767326.981296", "schema": "ArchiveResult", "start_ts": "2025-07-06T02:03:45.110456+00:00", "status": "succeeded" } ], "media": [ { "cmd": [ "/usr/local/bin/yt-dlp", "--restrict-filenames", "--trim-filenames", "128", "--write-description", "--write-info-json", "--write-annotations", "--write-thumbnail", "--no-call-home", "--write-sub", "--write-auto-subs", "--convert-subs=srt", "--yes-playlist", "--continue", "--no-abort-on-error", "--ignore-errors", "--geo-bypass", "--add-metadata", "--format=(bv*+ba/b)[filesize<=750m][filesize_approx<=?750m]/(bv*+ba/b)", "--skip-download", "--cache-dir=/data/yt-dlp-cache/", "--cookies=/data/yt-dlp-cache/cookies.txt", "--proxy=socks5://tor-socks-proxy:9150", "--no-playlist", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsUIgIqJjY" ], "cmd_version": "2024.10.7", "end_ts": "2025-07-06T02:04:10.745137+00:00", "index_texts": [ "As we recover from the horrific fire events in Los Angeles and elsewhere, it is apparent that the response has been, at times, panicked (understandably) and frequently ill-conceived. The finger pointing is in full force, blaming politicians, agencies, and conservationists. Remedies are based on traditional protocols that frequently have been proven by scientific research and significant experience to be ineffective, or worse, counterproductive. These questionable paradigms extend to a basic misunderstanding of fire ecology, burn frequency, type conversion, etc. The models reflect conflagrations as fuel-driven, rather than wind-driven. The result has been wholesale clearing of ecosystems, unmitigated habitat destruction, and portrayal of native plants as the \"boogeyman\" to be eliminated. Experience and science have proven otherwise. Greg will educate participants on how we can change our perceptions, and use native plants to actually protect communities and homes while maintaining habitat and year-round beauty, while also promoting lower maintenance, low water use, and superior erosion control, This is a WIN-WIN solution.", "1\n00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,510\n\nWell, our our program today is uh Native\n\n2\n00:00:07,510 --> 00:00:07,520\nWell, our our program today is uh Native\n \n\n3\n00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,870\nWell, our our program today is uh Native\nPlants and Fire. Everything we think we\n\n4\n00:00:10,870 --> 00:00:10,880\nPlants and Fire. Everything we think we\n \n\n5\n00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,230\nPlants and Fire. Everything we think we\nknow is wrong. And it will be presented\n\n6\n00:00:14,230 --> 00:00:14,240\nknow is wrong. And it will be presented\n \n\n7\n00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,630\nknow is wrong. And it will be presented\nby Greg Rubin. He's a design build\n\n8\n00:00:18,630 --> 00:00:18,640\nby Greg Rubin. He's a design build\n \n\n9\n00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,950\nby Greg Rubin. He's a design build\nlandscape contractor from Southern\n\n10\n00:00:20,950 --> 00:00:20,960\nlandscape contractor from Southern\n \n\n11\n00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,470\nlandscape contractor from Southern\nCalifornia and has had over 30 years\n\n12\n00:00:24,470 --> 00:00:24,480\nCalifornia and has had over 30 years\n \n\n13\n00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,269\nCalifornia and has had over 30 years\nexperience in the business.\n\n14\n00:00:27,269 --> 00:00:27,279\nexperience in the business.\n \n\n15\n00:00:27,279 --> 00:00:32,630\nexperience in the business.\nUh he had 25 of his projects and in\n\n16\n00:00:32,630 --> 00:00:32,640\nUh he had 25 of his projects and in\n \n\n17\n00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:38,709\nUh he had 25 of his projects and in\nfires and not one of them um uh just was\n\n18\n00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:38,719\nfires and not one of them um uh just was\n \n\n19\n00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:42,790\nfires and not one of them um uh just was\nall they all survived well. uh he was\n\n20\n00:00:42,790 --> 00:00:42,800\nall they all survived well. uh he was\n \n\n21\n00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,150\nall they all survived well. uh he was\npart of a stud a grant from the US Navy\n\n22\n00:00:46,150 --> 00:00:46,160\npart of a stud a grant from the US Navy\n \n\n23\n00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:50,470\npart of a stud a grant from the US Navy\nfor four years uh studying uh scientific\n\n24\n00:00:50,470 --> 00:00:50,480\nfor four years uh studying uh scientific\n \n\n25\n00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,549\nfor four years uh studying uh scientific\nresearch on fire resistant properties of\n\n26\n00:00:54,549 --> 00:00:54,559\nresearch on fire resistant properties of\n \n\n27\n00:00:54,559 --> 00:00:57,510\nresearch on fire resistant properties of\num properly designed native plant\n\n28\n00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:57,520\num properly designed native plant\n \n\n29\n00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,310\num properly designed native plant\nlandscapes and he had very positive\n\n30\n00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:00,320\nlandscapes and he had very positive\n \n\n31\n00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,670\nlandscapes and he had very positive\nresults. So without further ado, we turn\n\n32\n00:01:03,670 --> 00:01:03,680\nresults. So without further ado, we turn\n \n\n33\n00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,149\nresults. So without further ado, we turn\nthis over to Greg.\n\n34\n00:01:06,149 --> 00:01:06,159\nthis over to Greg.\n \n\n35\n00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:09,109\nthis over to Greg.\nWell, thanks Linda and hi everybody. I'm\n\n36\n00:01:09,109 --> 00:01:09,119\nWell, thanks Linda and hi everybody. I'm\n \n\n37\n00:01:09,119 --> 00:01:12,070\nWell, thanks Linda and hi everybody. I'm\nreally really tickled by the turnout for\n\n38\n00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:12,080\nreally really tickled by the turnout for\n \n\n39\n00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,990\nreally really tickled by the turnout for\nthis thing and I'll try to make it worth\n\n40\n00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:14,000\nthis thing and I'll try to make it worth\n \n\n41\n00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,350\nthis thing and I'll try to make it worth\nyour while. Um,\n\n42\n00:01:17,350 --> 00:01:17,360\nyour while. Um,\n \n\n43\n00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,190\nyour while. Um,\nlet me go ahead and share my screen\n\n44\n00:01:21,190 --> 00:01:21,200\nlet me go ahead and share my screen\n \n\n45\n00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,710\nlet me go ahead and share my screen\nand uh let's get this thing\n\n46\n00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:26,720\nand uh let's get this thing\n \n\n47\n00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,550\nand uh let's get this thing\nup and running.\n\n48\n00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:32,560\n\n \n\n49\n00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,870\n\nWhoops. The wrong starts at the end.\n\n50\n00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:36,880\nWhoops. The wrong starts at the end.\n \n\n51\n00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,310\nWhoops. The wrong starts at the end.\nStart at the beginning.\n\n52\n00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:40,320\nStart at the beginning.\n \n\n53\n00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,030\nStart at the beginning.\nThere we go. Okay. Can everybody see\n\n54\n00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:43,040\nThere we go. Okay. Can everybody see\n \n\n55\n00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,550\nThere we go. Okay. Can everybody see\nthat?\n\n56\n00:01:44,550 --> 00:01:44,560\nthat?\n \n\n57\n00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,149\nthat?\nYes.\n\n58\n00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:46,159\nYes.\n \n\n59\n00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,590\nYes.\nAwesome. Let's go. So,\n\n60\n00:01:49,590 --> 00:01:49,600\nAwesome. Let's go. So,\n \n\n61\n00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,190\nAwesome. Let's go. So,\nyeah, we were trying to think of a\n\n62\n00:01:51,190 --> 00:01:51,200\nyeah, we were trying to think of a\n \n\n63\n00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,109\nyeah, we were trying to think of a\ncatchy title and I thought, well, not\n\n64\n00:01:53,109 --> 00:01:53,119\ncatchy title and I thought, well, not\n \n\n65\n00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:56,550\ncatchy title and I thought, well, not\nonly is this catchy, it's true.\n\n66\n00:01:56,550 --> 00:01:56,560\nonly is this catchy, it's true.\n \n\n67\n00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,109\nonly is this catchy, it's true.\nSo, yeah. And and I appreciate some of\n\n68\n00:01:59,109 --> 00:01:59,119\nSo, yeah. And and I appreciate some of\n \n\n69\n00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:01,350\nSo, yeah. And and I appreciate some of\nthe folks that have actually seen my\n\n70\n00:02:01,350 --> 00:02:01,360\nthe folks that have actually seen my\n \n\n71\n00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,429\nthe folks that have actually seen my\npresentations before because uh\n\n72\n00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:05,439\npresentations before because uh\n \n\n73\n00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,030\npresentations before because uh\nyou know guys, the the conventional\n\n74\n00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:07,040\nyou know guys, the the conventional\n \n\n75\n00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,029\nyou know guys, the the conventional\nwisdom on this stuff is\n\n76\n00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:11,039\nwisdom on this stuff is\n \n\n77\n00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:12,790\nwisdom on this stuff is\nalmost the opposite of what we should be\n\n78\n00:02:12,790 --> 00:02:12,800\nalmost the opposite of what we should be\n \n\n79\n00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,869\nalmost the opposite of what we should be\ndoing. And I I'm just going to skip over\n\n80\n00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:16,879\ndoing. And I I'm just going to skip over\n \n\n81\n00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:19,750\ndoing. And I I'm just going to skip over\nthis since you gave me such a nice\n\n82\n00:02:19,750 --> 00:02:19,760\nthis since you gave me such a nice\n \n\n83\n00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,750\nthis since you gave me such a nice\nuh introduction. I appreciate that very\n\n84\n00:02:21,750 --> 00:02:21,760\nuh introduction. I appreciate that very\n \n\n85\n00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,790\nuh introduction. I appreciate that very\nmuch. Couple of books out there.\n\n86\n00:02:24,790 --> 00:02:24,800\nmuch. Couple of books out there.\n \n\n87\n00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,430\nmuch. Couple of books out there.\nAll right, let's start here.\n\n88\n00:02:27,430 --> 00:02:27,440\nAll right, let's start here.\n \n\n89\n00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,990\nAll right, let's start here.\nSo, one of the things that\n\n90\n00:02:31,990 --> 00:02:32,000\n\n \n\n91\n00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,670\n\nI want people to take away from this is\n\n92\n00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:35,680\nI want people to take away from this is\n \n\n93\n00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,949\nI want people to take away from this is\nlooking at this photo from Aladena,\n\n94\n00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:40,959\nlooking at this photo from Aladena,\n \n\n95\n00:02:40,959 --> 00:02:45,430\nlooking at this photo from Aladena,\nwhat jumps out at you?\n\n96\n00:02:45,430 --> 00:02:45,440\n\n \n\n97\n00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,670\n\nWe have all these destroyed structures,\n\n98\n00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:47,680\nWe have all these destroyed structures,\n \n\n99\n00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,910\nWe have all these destroyed structures,\nbut\n\n100\n00:02:49,910 --> 00:02:49,920\nbut\n \n\n101\n00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:51,990\nbut\nlook at the vegetation.\n\n102\n00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:52,000\nlook at the vegetation.\n \n\n103\n00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,589\nlook at the vegetation.\nIt's green.\n\n104\n00:02:55,589 --> 00:02:55,599\n\n \n\n105\n00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,110\n\nSo one of the things I want to try to\n\n106\n00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:57,120\nSo one of the things I want to try to\n \n\n107\n00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,630\nSo one of the things I want to try to\nget through to people is that\n\n108\n00:03:00,630 --> 00:03:00,640\nget through to people is that\n \n\n109\n00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:02,790\nget through to people is that\none there's an overemphasis on\n\n110\n00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:02,800\none there's an overemphasis on\n \n\n111\n00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,750\none there's an overemphasis on\nvegetation whereas\n\n112\n00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:05,760\nvegetation whereas\n \n\n113\n00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,390\nvegetation whereas\nhome hardening has been incredibly\n\n114\n00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:08,400\nhome hardening has been incredibly\n \n\n115\n00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,470\nhome hardening has been incredibly\neffective\n\n116\n00:03:10,470 --> 00:03:10,480\neffective\n \n\n117\n00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,830\neffective\nand you guys I'm sure are familiar with\n\n118\n00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:13,840\nand you guys I'm sure are familiar with\n \n\n119\n00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,270\nand you guys I'm sure are familiar with\na lot of the principles. I'll just have\n\n120\n00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:15,280\na lot of the principles. I'll just have\n \n\n121\n00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,070\na lot of the principles. I'll just have\na little review on that later on. But\n\n122\n00:03:20,070 --> 00:03:20,080\na little review on that later on. But\n \n\n123\n00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,470\na little review on that later on. But\nthe other part of that perspective is\n\n124\n00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:22,480\nthe other part of that perspective is\n \n\n125\n00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,790\nthe other part of that perspective is\nthat vegetation may actually help save\n\n126\n00:03:24,790 --> 00:03:24,800\nthat vegetation may actually help save\n \n\n127\n00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,309\nthat vegetation may actually help save\nhomes. And I'll back that up with\n\n128\n00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:28,319\nhomes. And I'll back that up with\n \n\n129\n00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:31,350\nhomes. And I'll back that up with\nreasoning in photos.\n\n130\n00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:31,360\nreasoning in photos.\n \n\n131\n00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,789\nreasoning in photos.\nAnd\n\n132\n00:03:34,789 --> 00:03:34,799\n\n \n\n133\n00:03:34,799 --> 00:03:38,470\n\nthe problem is that\n\n134\n00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:38,480\nthe problem is that\n \n\n135\n00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,550\nthe problem is that\nthe conventional wisdom is just the\n\n136\n00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:40,560\nthe conventional wisdom is just the\n \n\n137\n00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,309\nthe conventional wisdom is just the\nopposite. It's like remove all the\n\n138\n00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:42,319\nopposite. It's like remove all the\n \n\n139\n00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:44,949\nopposite. It's like remove all the\nvegetation from your house. Well, I can\n\n140\n00:03:44,949 --> 00:03:44,959\nvegetation from your house. Well, I can\n \n\n141\n00:03:44,959 --> 00:03:46,710\nvegetation from your house. Well, I can\ntell you once a fire gets into a\n\n142\n00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:46,720\ntell you once a fire gets into a\n \n\n143\n00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,949\ntell you once a fire gets into a\nneighborhood like this,\n\n144\n00:03:48,949 --> 00:03:48,959\nneighborhood like this,\n \n\n145\n00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:51,350\nneighborhood like this,\nit has very little to do with the\n\n146\n00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:51,360\nit has very little to do with the\n \n\n147\n00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,750\nit has very little to do with the\nvegetation. It goes house to house to\n\n148\n00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:53,760\nvegetation. It goes house to house to\n \n\n149\n00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,149\nvegetation. It goes house to house to\nhouse and the individual vulnerabilities\n\n150\n00:03:56,149 --> 00:03:56,159\nhouse and the individual vulnerabilities\n \n\n151\n00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:58,949\nhouse and the individual vulnerabilities\nin with those houses. And unfortunately,\n\n152\n00:03:58,949 --> 00:03:58,959\nin with those houses. And unfortunately,\n \n\n153\n00:03:58,959 --> 00:04:02,630\nin with those houses. And unfortunately,\na lot of these homes in Aladena were\n\n154\n00:04:02,630 --> 00:04:02,640\na lot of these homes in Aladena were\n \n\n155\n00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,070\na lot of these homes in Aladena were\nbuilt so long ago, long before our fire\n\n156\n00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:06,080\nbuilt so long ago, long before our fire\n \n\n157\n00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,429\nbuilt so long ago, long before our fire\ncodes and you know, fireresistant\n\n158\n00:04:09,429 --> 00:04:09,439\ncodes and you know, fireresistant\n \n\n159\n00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:13,350\ncodes and you know, fireresistant\nconstruction techniques and is just a\n\n160\n00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:13,360\nconstruction techniques and is just a\n \n\n161\n00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,749\nconstruction techniques and is just a\nhorror show and I'm sorry about that.\n\n162\n00:04:17,749 --> 00:04:17,759\nhorror show and I'm sorry about that.\n \n\n163\n00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:19,430\nhorror show and I'm sorry about that.\nSo, let's see how we can do it better.\n\n164\n00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:19,440\nSo, let's see how we can do it better.\n \n\n165\n00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,950\nSo, let's see how we can do it better.\nSo number one, fire resiliency functions\n\n166\n00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:22,960\nSo number one, fire resiliency functions\n \n\n167\n00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,830\nSo number one, fire resiliency functions\nfrom the house outward rather than the\n\n168\n00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:25,840\nfrom the house outward rather than the\n \n\n169\n00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,150\nfrom the house outward rather than the\nlandscape inward. That's a really\n\n170\n00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:28,160\nlandscape inward. That's a really\n \n\n171\n00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,790\nlandscape inward. That's a really\nimportant concept because it does go to\n\n172\n00:04:30,790 --> 00:04:30,800\nimportant concept because it does go to\n \n\n173\n00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,189\nimportant concept because it does go to\nhome hardening and architectural design.\n\n174\n00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:35,199\nhome hardening and architectural design.\n \n\n175\n00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:38,870\nhome hardening and architectural design.\nUm, another basic precept is that live\n\n176\n00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:38,880\nUm, another basic precept is that live\n \n\n177\n00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,150\nUm, another basic precept is that live\nfuel moisture content, LFMC, has always\n\n178\n00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:42,160\nfuel moisture content, LFMC, has always\n \n\n179\n00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,950\nfuel moisture content, LFMC, has always\nbeen the indicator of the severity of\n\n180\n00:04:44,950 --> 00:04:44,960\nbeen the indicator of the severity of\n \n\n181\n00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,110\nbeen the indicator of the severity of\nthe fire season to come and its end.\n\n182\n00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:49,120\nthe fire season to come and its end.\n \n\n183\n00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,950\nthe fire season to come and its end.\nSo that is our measure that is our\n\n184\n00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:50,960\nSo that is our measure that is our\n \n\n185\n00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,030\nSo that is our measure that is our\nmeasure of flammability.\n\n186\n00:04:55,030 --> 00:04:55,040\n\n \n\n187\n00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,270\n\nSo LFMC supports the idea that\n\n188\n00:04:57,270 --> 00:04:57,280\nSo LFMC supports the idea that\n \n\n189\n00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,749\nSo LFMC supports the idea that\nvegetative flammability is a function of\n\n190\n00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:59,759\nvegetative flammability is a function of\n \n\n191\n00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,629\nvegetative flammability is a function of\nhydration over plant selection with a\n\n192\n00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:02,639\nhydration over plant selection with a\n \n\n193\n00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:04,469\nhydration over plant selection with a\nfew exceptions.\n\n194\n00:05:04,469 --> 00:05:04,479\nfew exceptions.\n \n\n195\n00:05:04,479 --> 00:05:06,390\nfew exceptions.\nUm\n\n196\n00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:06,400\nUm\n \n\n197\n00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,150\nUm\njunipers are are pretty bad uh very\n\n198\n00:05:10,150 --> 00:05:10,160\njunipers are are pretty bad uh very\n \n\n199\n00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,390\njunipers are are pretty bad uh very\nclose to the house and then Mexican fan\n\n200\n00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:12,400\nclose to the house and then Mexican fan\n \n\n201\n00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,350\nclose to the house and then Mexican fan\npalms. I can tell you in our San Diego\n\n202\n00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:15,360\npalms. I can tell you in our San Diego\n \n\n203\n00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,590\npalms. I can tell you in our San Diego\nfires when the when they got into\n\n204\n00:05:17,590 --> 00:05:17,600\nfires when the when they got into\n \n\n205\n00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,990\nfires when the when they got into\nsuburbia, the Mexican fan palms were\n\n206\n00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:20,000\nsuburbia, the Mexican fan palms were\n \n\n207\n00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,749\nsuburbia, the Mexican fan palms were\nabsolutely the worst actors\n\n208\n00:05:23,749 --> 00:05:23,759\nabsolutely the worst actors\n \n\n209\n00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:27,510\nabsolutely the worst actors\nas fronds detached and became 4 foot\n\n210\n00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:27,520\nas fronds detached and became 4 foot\n \n\n211\n00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,510\nas fronds detached and became 4 foot\nflaming frisbees flying at 40 miles an\n\n212\n00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:29,520\nflaming frisbees flying at 40 miles an\n \n\n213\n00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,749\nflaming frisbees flying at 40 miles an\nhour and they were literally lighting up\n\n214\n00:05:31,749 --> 00:05:31,759\nhour and they were literally lighting up\n \n\n215\n00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:36,390\nhour and they were literally lighting up\neverything. cars, homes,\n\n216\n00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:36,400\neverything. cars, homes,\n \n\n217\n00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,070\neverything. cars, homes,\nuh even even ones that had been trimmed,\n\n218\n00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:40,080\nuh even even ones that had been trimmed,\n \n\n219\n00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,710\nuh even even ones that had been trimmed,\nif they had the what we call the\n\n220\n00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:42,720\nif they had the what we call the\n \n\n221\n00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,629\nif they had the what we call the\npedials, the base of the branch is still\n\n222\n00:05:44,629 --> 00:05:44,639\npedials, the base of the branch is still\n \n\n223\n00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,950\npedials, the base of the branch is still\nattached to the trunk,\n\n224\n00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:46,960\nattached to the trunk,\n \n\n225\n00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,670\nattached to the trunk,\nthose would go up in flames. And then\n\n226\n00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:49,680\nthose would go up in flames. And then\n \n\n227\n00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,749\nthose would go up in flames. And then\nalso up in the crown there too, where\n\n228\n00:05:51,749 --> 00:05:51,759\nalso up in the crown there too, where\n \n\n229\n00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:54,950\nalso up in the crown there too, where\nthere's a lot of uh flower stalks and\n\n230\n00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:54,960\nthere's a lot of uh flower stalks and\n \n\n231\n00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,710\nthere's a lot of uh flower stalks and\nold dates and things like that and\n\n232\n00:05:56,710 --> 00:05:56,720\nold dates and things like that and\n \n\n233\n00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,189\nold dates and things like that and\naccumulate debris that burns. And these\n\n234\n00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:59,199\naccumulate debris that burns. And these\n \n\n235\n00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:02,310\naccumulate debris that burns. And these\nthings spit out embers. If you have the\n\n236\n00:06:02,310 --> 00:06:02,320\nthings spit out embers. If you have the\n \n\n237\n00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,870\nthings spit out embers. If you have the\ntime to look on YouTube at some of these\n\n238\n00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:04,880\ntime to look on YouTube at some of these\n \n\n239\n00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:10,070\ntime to look on YouTube at some of these\nvideos, it's extraordinary. And um\n\n240\n00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:10,080\nvideos, it's extraordinary. And um\n \n\n241\n00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,390\nvideos, it's extraordinary. And um\nso I, you know, Mexican fan palms are\n\n242\n00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:12,400\nso I, you know, Mexican fan palms are\n \n\n243\n00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,189\nso I, you know, Mexican fan palms are\ndefinitely a real problem in suburban\n\n244\n00:06:15,189 --> 00:06:15,199\ndefinitely a real problem in suburban\n \n\n245\n00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:19,029\ndefinitely a real problem in suburban\nurban environments.\n\n246\n00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:19,039\n\n \n\n247\n00:06:19,039 --> 00:06:20,629\n\nSo\n\n248\n00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:20,639\nSo\n \n\n249\n00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:22,710\nSo\nif it's all about hydration for the most\n\n250\n00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:22,720\nif it's all about hydration for the most\n \n\n251\n00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,710\nif it's all about hydration for the most\npart, there's a correlary that the\n\n252\n00:06:24,710 --> 00:06:24,720\npart, there's a correlary that the\n \n\n253\n00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,550\npart, there's a correlary that the\ndrought tolerant native plants require\n\n254\n00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:26,560\ndrought tolerant native plants require\n \n\n255\n00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,870\ndrought tolerant native plants require\nrelatively minimal supplemental watering\n\n256\n00:06:28,870 --> 00:06:28,880\nrelatively minimal supplemental watering\n \n\n257\n00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,950\nrelatively minimal supplemental watering\nto achieve effective levels of\n\n258\n00:06:30,950 --> 00:06:30,960\nto achieve effective levels of\n \n\n259\n00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,950\nto achieve effective levels of\nhydration. Effective levels of live fuel\n\n260\n00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:34,960\nhydration. Effective levels of live fuel\n \n\n261\n00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,749\nhydration. Effective levels of live fuel\nmoisture content. Plus then there's just\n\n262\n00:06:37,749 --> 00:06:37,759\nmoisture content. Plus then there's just\n \n\n263\n00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:39,909\nmoisture content. Plus then there's just\na ton of other benefits associated with\n\n264\n00:06:39,909 --> 00:06:39,919\na ton of other benefits associated with\n \n\n265\n00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:42,790\na ton of other benefits associated with\nnative plants.\n\n266\n00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:42,800\nnative plants.\n \n\n267\n00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,790\nnative plants.\nThis is a huge This next one is huge\n\n268\n00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:44,800\nThis is a huge This next one is huge\n \n\n269\n00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,950\nThis is a huge This next one is huge\nbecause I think it is the underlying\n\n270\n00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:48,960\nbecause I think it is the underlying\n \n\n271\n00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,270\nbecause I think it is the underlying\nthe underlying misconception that drives\n\n272\n00:06:51,270 --> 00:06:51,280\nthe underlying misconception that drives\n \n\n273\n00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,189\nthe underlying misconception that drives\na lot of the decisions being made out\n\n274\n00:06:53,189 --> 00:06:53,199\na lot of the decisions being made out\n \n\n275\n00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:56,550\na lot of the decisions being made out\nthere. These fires, these catastrophic\n\n276\n00:06:56,550 --> 00:06:56,560\nthere. These fires, these catastrophic\n \n\n277\n00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,070\nthere. These fires, these catastrophic\nfires\n\n278\n00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:58,080\nfires\n \n\n279\n00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,390\nfires\nare without exception wind driven, not\n\n280\n00:07:02,390 --> 00:07:02,400\nare without exception wind driven, not\n \n\n281\n00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,550\nare without exception wind driven, not\nfuel driven. They're fuel driven.\n\n282\n00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:06,560\nfuel driven. They're fuel driven.\n \n\n283\n00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,110\nfuel driven. They're fuel driven.\nYou can usually get around and set up a\n\n284\n00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:09,120\nYou can usually get around and set up a\n \n\n285\n00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,510\nYou can usually get around and set up a\ndo backfires, set up a a defensible\n\n286\n00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:11,520\ndo backfires, set up a a defensible\n \n\n287\n00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,390\ndo backfires, set up a a defensible\nperimeter and put the thing out. Wind\n\n288\n00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:14,400\nperimeter and put the thing out. Wind\n \n\n289\n00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,790\nperimeter and put the thing out. Wind\ndriven. Well, you saw you're looking at\n\n290\n00:07:16,790 --> 00:07:16,800\ndriven. Well, you saw you're looking at\n \n\n291\n00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,110\ndriven. Well, you saw you're looking at\nit. Um,\n\n292\n00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:19,120\nit. Um,\n \n\n293\n00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,430\nit. Um,\nagencies and ordinances advocating brush\n\n294\n00:07:21,430 --> 00:07:21,440\nagencies and ordinances advocating brush\n \n\n295\n00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,950\nagencies and ordinances advocating brush\nclearance, quote unquote, may actually\n\n296\n00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:22,960\nclearance, quote unquote, may actually\n \n\n297\n00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,870\nclearance, quote unquote, may actually\nbe contributing to far more\n\n298\n00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:24,880\nbe contributing to far more\n \n\n299\n00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,629\nbe contributing to far more\nvulnerability.\n\n300\n00:07:26,629 --> 00:07:26,639\nvulnerability.\n \n\n301\n00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,029\nvulnerability.\nWhat is going to stand in the way? What\n\n302\n00:07:29,029 --> 00:07:29,039\nWhat is going to stand in the way? What\n \n\n303\n00:07:29,039 --> 00:07:31,909\nWhat is going to stand in the way? What\nis going to protect your house? Well, I\n\n304\n00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:31,919\nis going to protect your house? Well, I\n \n\n305\n00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:34,469\nis going to protect your house? Well, I\ncan tell you that homes make great ember\n\n306\n00:07:34,469 --> 00:07:34,479\ncan tell you that homes make great ember\n \n\n307\n00:07:34,479 --> 00:07:38,070\ncan tell you that homes make great ember\ncatchers.\n\n308\n00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:38,080\n\n \n\n309\n00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,710\n\nAnd yeah, I used to be an aerospace\n\n310\n00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:40,720\nAnd yeah, I used to be an aerospace\n \n\n311\n00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,430\nAnd yeah, I used to be an aerospace\nengineer. I'm a pilot. Um,\n\n312\n00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:45,440\nengineer. I'm a pilot. Um,\n \n\n313\n00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,830\nengineer. I'm a pilot. Um,\nand especially it was after the Witch\n\n314\n00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:47,840\nand especially it was after the Witch\n \n\n315\n00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,870\nand especially it was after the Witch\nCreek fires, 2007,\n\n316\n00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:50,880\nCreek fires, 2007,\n \n\n317\n00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,710\nCreek fires, 2007,\nuh, it became readily apparent\n\n318\n00:07:54,710 --> 00:07:54,720\nuh, it became readily apparent\n \n\n319\n00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,189\nuh, it became readily apparent\nthat\n\n320\n00:07:57,189 --> 00:07:57,199\nthat\n \n\n321\n00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:59,029\nthat\nresearch aren't investigating the\n\n322\n00:07:59,029 --> 00:07:59,039\nresearch aren't investigating the\n \n\n323\n00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:01,110\nresearch aren't investigating the\nsignificant aerodynamics and\n\n324\n00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:01,120\nsignificant aerodynamics and\n \n\n325\n00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,909\nsignificant aerodynamics and\nthermodynamics of winddriven\n\n326\n00:08:03,909 --> 00:08:03,919\nthermodynamics of winddriven\n \n\n327\n00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:07,430\nthermodynamics of winddriven\nfire. Okay.\n\n328\n00:08:07,430 --> 00:08:07,440\nfire. Okay.\n \n\n329\n00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,749\nfire. Okay.\nSo\n\n330\n00:08:11,749 --> 00:08:11,759\n\n \n\n331\n00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:13,909\n\nunless you accept\n\n332\n00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:13,919\nunless you accept\n \n\n333\n00:08:13,919 --> 00:08:16,469\nunless you accept\nthe basic assumption that these are wind\n\n334\n00:08:16,469 --> 00:08:16,479\nthe basic assumption that these are wind\n \n\n335\n00:08:16,479 --> 00:08:18,550\nthe basic assumption that these are wind\ndriven then\n\n336\n00:08:18,550 --> 00:08:18,560\ndriven then\n \n\n337\n00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,469\ndriven then\nnothing falls in place. But if you look\n\n338\n00:08:20,469 --> 00:08:20,479\nnothing falls in place. But if you look\n \n\n339\n00:08:20,479 --> 00:08:22,230\nnothing falls in place. But if you look\nat them from a wind driven standpoint\n\n340\n00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:22,240\nat them from a wind driven standpoint\n \n\n341\n00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,430\nat them from a wind driven standpoint\nnow we got to see how vegetation and\n\n342\n00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:25,440\nnow we got to see how vegetation and\n \n\n343\n00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,430\nnow we got to see how vegetation and\neven homes\n\n344\n00:08:27,430 --> 00:08:27,440\neven homes\n \n\n345\n00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,029\neven homes\naffect those ferocious flows of embers.\n\n346\n00:08:31,029 --> 00:08:31,039\naffect those ferocious flows of embers.\n \n\n347\n00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:34,870\naffect those ferocious flows of embers.\nOkay, that are coming in at 60 80 miles\n\n348\n00:08:34,870 --> 00:08:34,880\nOkay, that are coming in at 60 80 miles\n \n\n349\n00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,110\nOkay, that are coming in at 60 80 miles\nan hour, as thick as the firefalls you\n\n350\n00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:37,120\nan hour, as thick as the firefalls you\n \n\n351\n00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,949\nan hour, as thick as the firefalls you\n70 going sideways, I always say. And uh\n\n352\n00:08:40,949 --> 00:08:40,959\n70 going sideways, I always say. And uh\n \n\n353\n00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:43,829\n70 going sideways, I always say. And uh\nagain, if there's no vegetation, there's\n\n354\n00:08:43,829 --> 00:08:43,839\nagain, if there's no vegetation, there's\n \n\n355\n00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:47,350\nagain, if there's no vegetation, there's\nnothing to protect your home.\n\n356\n00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:47,360\nnothing to protect your home.\n \n\n357\n00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,030\nnothing to protect your home.\nYeah.\n\n358\n00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:49,040\nYeah.\n \n\n359\n00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,870\nYeah.\nSo yeah, since everyone's so focused on\n\n360\n00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:50,880\nSo yeah, since everyone's so focused on\n \n\n361\n00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,230\nSo yeah, since everyone's so focused on\nvegetation is simply fuel, the potential\n\n362\n00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:54,240\nvegetation is simply fuel, the potential\n \n\n363\n00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,070\nvegetation is simply fuel, the potential\nbenefit of hydrated plants of various\n\n364\n00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:56,080\nbenefit of hydrated plants of various\n \n\n365\n00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,870\nbenefit of hydrated plants of various\nconfigurations as ember catchers, ember\n\n366\n00:08:58,870 --> 00:08:58,880\nconfigurations as ember catchers, ember\n \n\n367\n00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,430\nconfigurations as ember catchers, ember\ncoolers, and as turbuls uh disturbing\n\n368\n00:09:03,430 --> 00:09:03,440\ncoolers, and as turbuls uh disturbing\n \n\n369\n00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:09,190\ncoolers, and as turbuls uh disturbing\nthe flow of embers is ignored.\n\n370\n00:09:09,190 --> 00:09:09,200\n\n \n\n371\n00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,790\n\nThis is another one, especially for you\n\n372\n00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:10,800\nThis is another one, especially for you\n \n\n373\n00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,430\nThis is another one, especially for you\nNorthern California people. I'm trying\n\n374\n00:09:13,430 --> 00:09:13,440\nNorthern California people. I'm trying\n \n\n375\n00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,910\nNorthern California people. I'm trying\nto prevent this from happening down\n\n376\n00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:15,920\nto prevent this from happening down\n \n\n377\n00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,750\nto prevent this from happening down\nsouth here.\n\n378\n00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:19,760\n\n \n\n379\n00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,269\n\nSo when I do native landscapes,\n\n380\n00:09:23,269 --> 00:09:23,279\nSo when I do native landscapes,\n \n\n381\n00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:27,110\nSo when I do native landscapes,\nmost our plants are chapparel, you know,\n\n382\n00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:27,120\nmost our plants are chapparel, you know,\n \n\n383\n00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,550\nmost our plants are chapparel, you know,\nshrubland communities, woodland\n\n384\n00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:28,560\nshrubland communities, woodland\n \n\n385\n00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,070\nshrubland communities, woodland\ncommunities,\n\n386\n00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:30,080\ncommunities,\n \n\n387\n00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,269\ncommunities,\nand they want organic mulches.\n\n388\n00:09:33,269 --> 00:09:33,279\nand they want organic mulches.\n \n\n389\n00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:36,310\nand they want organic mulches.\nAnd by far the the the supreme the very\n\n390\n00:09:36,310 --> 00:09:36,320\nAnd by far the the the supreme the very\n \n\n391\n00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,150\nAnd by far the the the supreme the very\nbest organic mulch that\n\n392\n00:09:40,150 --> 00:09:40,160\nbest organic mulch that\n \n\n393\n00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,949\nbest organic mulch that\nclosely emulates the natural duff layer\n\n394\n00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:42,959\nclosely emulates the natural duff layer\n \n\n395\n00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:45,670\nclosely emulates the natural duff layer\nthat forms in natural subtroubling\n\n396\n00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:45,680\nthat forms in natural subtroubling\n \n\n397\n00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,710\nthat forms in natural subtroubling\ncommunities is shredded redwood bark\n\n398\n00:09:48,710 --> 00:09:48,720\ncommunities is shredded redwood bark\n \n\n399\n00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,710\ncommunities is shredded redwood bark\nalso known as gorilla hair.\n\n400\n00:09:52,710 --> 00:09:52,720\nalso known as gorilla hair.\n \n\n401\n00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,990\nalso known as gorilla hair.\nGorilla hair significantly improves the\n\n402\n00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:56,000\nGorilla hair significantly improves the\n \n\n403\n00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,750\nGorilla hair significantly improves the\nhydration, the health of a native\n\n404\n00:09:59,750 --> 00:09:59,760\nhydration, the health of a native\n \n\n405\n00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,470\nhydration, the health of a native\nlandscape in addition to very\n\n406\n00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:02,480\nlandscape in addition to very\n \n\n407\n00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,509\nlandscape in addition to very\neffectively inhibiting weed growth which\n\n408\n00:10:05,509 --> 00:10:05,519\neffectively inhibiting weed growth which\n \n\n409\n00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:07,750\neffectively inhibiting weed growth which\nwould otherwise be flashy fuel fire\n\n410\n00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:07,760\nwould otherwise be flashy fuel fire\n \n\n411\n00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,670\nwould otherwise be flashy fuel fire\nladders.\n\n412\n00:10:09,670 --> 00:10:09,680\nladders.\n \n\n413\n00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:13,670\nladders.\nUm I'll tell you why this is.\n\n414\n00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:13,680\nUm I'll tell you why this is.\n \n\n415\n00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,069\nUm I'll tell you why this is.\nUm,\n\n416\n00:10:16,069 --> 00:10:16,079\nUm,\n \n\n417\n00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:19,670\nUm,\nthe mulch over time, actually fairly\n\n418\n00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:19,680\nthe mulch over time, actually fairly\n \n\n419\n00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,230\nthe mulch over time, actually fairly\nshortly with the kind of irrigation we\n\n420\n00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:22,240\nshortly with the kind of irrigation we\n \n\n421\n00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,030\nshortly with the kind of irrigation we\nlike to use, gets matted down, goes from\n\n422\n00:10:25,030 --> 00:10:25,040\nlike to use, gets matted down, goes from\n \n\n423\n00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,069\nlike to use, gets matted down, goes from\n3 to 4 in thick down to less than an\n\n424\n00:10:28,069 --> 00:10:28,079\n3 to 4 in thick down to less than an\n \n\n425\n00:10:28,079 --> 00:10:31,030\n3 to 4 in thick down to less than an\ninch thick. And it's very dense. It\n\n426\n00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:31,040\ninch thick. And it's very dense. It\n \n\n427\n00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,910\ninch thick. And it's very dense. It\nadheres to the soil and it's poorly\n\n428\n00:10:33,910 --> 00:10:33,920\nadheres to the soil and it's poorly\n \n\n429\n00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,590\nadheres to the soil and it's poorly\noxygenated.\n\n430\n00:10:35,590 --> 00:10:35,600\noxygenated.\n \n\n431\n00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,069\noxygenated.\nAnd at that point, and I've got\n\n432\n00:10:38,069 --> 00:10:38,079\nAnd at that point, and I've got\n \n\n433\n00:10:38,079 --> 00:10:41,910\nAnd at that point, and I've got\ndocumentation to support this, it\n\n434\n00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:41,920\ndocumentation to support this, it\n \n\n435\n00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,550\ndocumentation to support this, it\nsmolders basically with a two inch or\n\n436\n00:10:44,550 --> 00:10:44,560\nsmolders basically with a two inch or\n \n\n437\n00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:48,550\nsmolders basically with a two inch or\nless flame height typically. Okay.\n\n438\n00:10:48,550 --> 00:10:48,560\nless flame height typically. Okay.\n \n\n439\n00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:50,230\nless flame height typically. Okay.\nThe problem is all the testing they've\n\n440\n00:10:50,230 --> 00:10:50,240\nThe problem is all the testing they've\n \n\n441\n00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,550\nThe problem is all the testing they've\ndone is with fluffed up mulch. Well,\n\n442\n00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:52,560\ndone is with fluffed up mulch. Well,\n \n\n443\n00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,910\ndone is with fluffed up mulch. Well,\nwe'll talk about in a minute, but uh I\n\n444\n00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:55,920\nwe'll talk about in a minute, but uh I\n \n\n445\n00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,990\nwe'll talk about in a minute, but uh I\nwas extremely alarmed having been\n\n446\n00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:58,000\nwas extremely alarmed having been\n \n\n447\n00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,630\nwas extremely alarmed having been\nthrough so many fire events to see them\n\n448\n00:11:00,630 --> 00:11:00,640\nthrough so many fire events to see them\n \n\n449\n00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,790\nthrough so many fire events to see them\npushing this again. Fuel, fuel, fuel.\n\n450\n00:11:02,790 --> 00:11:02,800\npushing this again. Fuel, fuel, fuel.\n \n\n451\n00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:08,710\npushing this again. Fuel, fuel, fuel.\nnot looking at uh wind driven embers.\n\n452\n00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:08,720\nnot looking at uh wind driven embers.\n \n\n453\n00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,790\nnot looking at uh wind driven embers.\nUh here's a good one for you guys.\n\n454\n00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:10,800\nUh here's a good one for you guys.\n \n\n455\n00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,230\nUh here's a good one for you guys.\nAccording to scientific research,\n\n456\n00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:12,240\nAccording to scientific research,\n \n\n457\n00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,150\nAccording to scientific research,\nthere's no additional structure\n\n458\n00:11:14,150 --> 00:11:14,160\nthere's no additional structure\n \n\n459\n00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,790\nthere's no additional structure\nprotection provided by clearing beyond\n\n460\n00:11:16,790 --> 00:11:16,800\nprotection provided by clearing beyond\n \n\n461\n00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,790\nprotection provided by clearing beyond\n100 ft even on steep slopes. And the\n\n462\n00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:20,800\n100 ft even on steep slopes. And the\n \n\n463\n00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,350\n100 ft even on steep slopes. And the\nmost important treatment zone is from 16\n\n464\n00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:23,360\nmost important treatment zone is from 16\n \n\n465\n00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,990\nmost important treatment zone is from 16\nto 58 feet.\n\n466\n00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:26,000\nto 58 feet.\n \n\n467\n00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,949\nto 58 feet.\nAnd this was a paper published in 2012.\n\n468\n00:11:28,949 --> 00:11:28,959\nAnd this was a paper published in 2012.\n \n\n469\n00:11:28,959 --> 00:11:30,550\nAnd this was a paper published in 2012.\nI mean, this information's been out\n\n470\n00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:30,560\nI mean, this information's been out\n \n\n471\n00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,829\nI mean, this information's been out\nthere by uh John Keley and Alex\n\n472\n00:11:33,829 --> 00:11:33,839\nthere by uh John Keley and Alex\n \n\n473\n00:11:33,839 --> 00:11:37,350\nthere by uh John Keley and Alex\nCiphford, okay, to well, John is\n\n474\n00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:37,360\nCiphford, okay, to well, John is\n \n\n475\n00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,470\nCiphford, okay, to well, John is\nprobably one of the foremost fire\n\n476\n00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:40,480\nprobably one of the foremost fire\n \n\n477\n00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,190\nprobably one of the foremost fire\necologists in the world and and Alex is\n\n478\n00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:43,200\necologists in the world and and Alex is\n \n\n479\n00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,030\necologists in the world and and Alex is\na a really important fire researcher and\n\n480\n00:11:47,030 --> 00:11:47,040\na a really important fire researcher and\n \n\n481\n00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,870\na a really important fire researcher and\noften does a lot of the uh data analysis\n\n482\n00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:50,880\noften does a lot of the uh data analysis\n \n\n483\n00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,030\noften does a lot of the uh data analysis\nand that and these guys have done some\n\n484\n00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:53,040\nand that and these guys have done some\n \n\n485\n00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,829\nand that and these guys have done some\nmeta studies that will blow you away.\n\n486\n00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:57,839\n\n \n\n487\n00:11:57,839 --> 00:12:00,550\n\nComplete clearance around homes results\n\n488\n00:12:00,550 --> 00:12:00,560\nComplete clearance around homes results\n \n\n489\n00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:02,630\nComplete clearance around homes results\nin total exposure to wind-driven ember\n\n490\n00:12:02,630 --> 00:12:02,640\nin total exposure to wind-driven ember\n \n\n491\n00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,230\nin total exposure to wind-driven ember\nattack without perturbance\n\n492\n00:12:06,230 --> 00:12:06,240\nattack without perturbance\n \n\n493\n00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,990\nattack without perturbance\nand clearing of surrounding native\n\n494\n00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:08,000\nand clearing of surrounding native\n \n\n495\n00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,150\nand clearing of surrounding native\nvegetation allows for colonization by\n\n496\n00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:10,160\nvegetation allows for colonization by\n \n\n497\n00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,870\nvegetation allows for colonization by\nannual flashy fuel weeds. what we call\n\n498\n00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:12,880\nannual flashy fuel weeds. what we call\n \n\n499\n00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,670\nannual flashy fuel weeds. what we call\ntype conversion. Basically, weedy cow\n\n500\n00:12:15,670 --> 00:12:15,680\ntype conversion. Basically, weedy cow\n \n\n501\n00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,269\ntype conversion. Basically, weedy cow\npasture,\n\n502\n00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:17,279\npasture,\n \n\n503\n00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:19,750\npasture,\nsoil desiccation, complete loss of\n\n504\n00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:19,760\nsoil desiccation, complete loss of\n \n\n505\n00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,110\nsoil desiccation, complete loss of\nhabitat, increased erosion, plain loss\n\n506\n00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:23,120\nhabitat, increased erosion, plain loss\n \n\n507\n00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,269\nhabitat, increased erosion, plain loss\nof regional identity, and unhindered\n\n508\n00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:25,279\nof regional identity, and unhindered\n \n\n509\n00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:31,750\nof regional identity, and unhindered\nexposure to wind-driven fire. Okay,\n\n510\n00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:31,760\n\n \n\n511\n00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,750\n\nso what do I mean about vegetation\n\n512\n00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:35,760\nso what do I mean about vegetation\n \n\n513\n00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,910\nso what do I mean about vegetation\npotentially helping to save homes? Well,\n\n514\n00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:39,920\npotentially helping to save homes? Well,\n \n\n515\n00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,710\npotentially helping to save homes? Well,\nhere we are in Palisades.\n\n516\n00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:42,720\nhere we are in Palisades.\n \n\n517\n00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,110\nhere we are in Palisades.\nUh, I took this from a magazine article,\n\n518\n00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:45,120\nUh, I took this from a magazine article,\n \n\n519\n00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,430\nUh, I took this from a magazine article,\nso the resolution isn't great, but you\n\n520\n00:12:47,430 --> 00:12:47,440\nso the resolution isn't great, but you\n \n\n521\n00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,870\nso the resolution isn't great, but you\nget the idea. So, here is a green hedge.\n\n522\n00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:50,880\nget the idea. So, here is a green hedge.\n \n\n523\n00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,150\nget the idea. So, here is a green hedge.\nFrankly, it's in zone zero\n\n524\n00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:54,160\nFrankly, it's in zone zero\n \n\n525\n00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,949\nFrankly, it's in zone zero\nwithin 5t of the home.\n\n526\n00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:56,959\nwithin 5t of the home.\n \n\n527\n00:12:56,959 --> 00:13:01,110\nwithin 5t of the home.\nUm, hydrated in green. Okay.\n\n528\n00:13:01,110 --> 00:13:01,120\nUm, hydrated in green. Okay.\n \n\n529\n00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,350\nUm, hydrated in green. Okay.\nAnd here comes the fire. And this is the\n\n530\n00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:03,360\nAnd here comes the fire. And this is the\n \n\n531\n00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,790\nAnd here comes the fire. And this is the\nresult.\n\n532\n00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:06,800\n\n \n\n533\n00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,710\n\nSo that was the direction of the fire\n\n534\n00:13:08,710 --> 00:13:08,720\nSo that was the direction of the fire\n \n\n535\n00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,629\nSo that was the direction of the fire\nspread, the wind. You notice the\n\n536\n00:13:10,629 --> 00:13:10,639\nspread, the wind. You notice the\n \n\n537\n00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:12,949\nspread, the wind. You notice the\nneighbor unfortunately did not do too\n\n538\n00:13:12,949 --> 00:13:12,959\nneighbor unfortunately did not do too\n \n\n539\n00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:14,629\nneighbor unfortunately did not do too\nwell.\n\n540\n00:13:14,629 --> 00:13:14,639\nwell.\n \n\n541\n00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:17,509\nwell.\nAnd you can see that it clearly hit the\n\n542\n00:13:17,509 --> 00:13:17,519\nAnd you can see that it clearly hit the\n \n\n543\n00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:22,389\nAnd you can see that it clearly hit the\nhedge on the upwind side. Still green on\n\n544\n00:13:22,389 --> 00:13:22,399\nhedge on the upwind side. Still green on\n \n\n545\n00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:26,470\nhedge on the upwind side. Still green on\nthe house side and the house is intact.\n\n546\n00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:26,480\nthe house side and the house is intact.\n \n\n547\n00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,190\nthe house side and the house is intact.\nOkay, we've seen this over and over.\n\n548\n00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:29,200\nOkay, we've seen this over and over.\n \n\n549\n00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,190\nOkay, we've seen this over and over.\nI've been talking about this for 25\n\n550\n00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:31,200\nI've been talking about this for 25\n \n\n551\n00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,230\nI've been talking about this for 25\nyear, no 28 years. Okay. And we're just,\n\n552\n00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:36,240\nyear, no 28 years. Okay. And we're just,\n \n\n553\n00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,910\nyear, no 28 years. Okay. And we're just,\nyou know, we're hope we're finally, I\n\n554\n00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:37,920\nyou know, we're hope we're finally, I\n \n\n555\n00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,069\nyou know, we're hope we're finally, I\nthink, making some inroads because this,\n\n556\n00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:40,079\nthink, making some inroads because this,\n \n\n557\n00:13:40,079 --> 00:13:41,590\nthink, making some inroads because this,\nI don't know if you guys caught it. It\n\n558\n00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:41,600\nI don't know if you guys caught it. It\n \n\n559\n00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,829\nI don't know if you guys caught it. It\nwas an LA Times article that came out a\n\n560\n00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:45,839\nwas an LA Times article that came out a\n \n\n561\n00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:48,470\nwas an LA Times article that came out a\nlittle about a week and a half ago by\n\n562\n00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:48,480\nlittle about a week and a half ago by\n \n\n563\n00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,110\nlittle about a week and a half ago by\ntwo fire scientists\n\n564\n00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:51,120\ntwo fire scientists\n \n\n565\n00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,829\ntwo fire scientists\nuh who have are coming to the same\n\n566\n00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:53,839\nuh who have are coming to the same\n \n\n567\n00:13:53,839 --> 00:13:57,590\nuh who have are coming to the same\nconclusions independently of our studies\n\n568\n00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:57,600\nconclusions independently of our studies\n \n\n569\n00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,470\nconclusions independently of our studies\nand what we're saying. So that's why I\n\n570\n00:14:00,470 --> 00:14:00,480\nand what we're saying. So that's why I\n \n\n571\n00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,829\nand what we're saying. So that's why I\nthink there's starting to you're\n\n572\n00:14:01,829 --> 00:14:01,839\nthink there's starting to you're\n \n\n573\n00:14:01,839 --> 00:14:04,310\nthink there's starting to you're\nstarting to get a circle of consensus\n\n574\n00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:04,320\nstarting to get a circle of consensus\n \n\n575\n00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,230\nstarting to get a circle of consensus\naround some of this stuff and now we're\n\n576\n00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:06,240\naround some of this stuff and now we're\n \n\n577\n00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,629\naround some of this stuff and now we're\njust trying to get the word out.\n\n578\n00:14:10,629 --> 00:14:10,639\n\n \n\n579\n00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:13,990\n\nSo there's actually basic misconceptions\n\n580\n00:14:13,990 --> 00:14:14,000\nSo there's actually basic misconceptions\n \n\n581\n00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,710\nSo there's actually basic misconceptions\nabout even fire ecology.\n\n582\n00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:16,720\nabout even fire ecology.\n \n\n583\n00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,790\nabout even fire ecology.\nOkay?\n\n584\n00:14:18,790 --> 00:14:18,800\nOkay?\n \n\n585\n00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,710\nOkay?\nBecause\n\n586\n00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:20,720\nBecause\n \n\n587\n00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,350\nBecause\nhow often have you guys heard that\n\n588\n00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:23,360\nhow often have you guys heard that\n \n\n589\n00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,030\nhow often have you guys heard that\nchaperon needs to burn? The only way it\n\n590\n00:14:27,030 --> 00:14:27,040\nchaperon needs to burn? The only way it\n \n\n591\n00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,030\nchaperon needs to burn? The only way it\nstays healthy is for it to burn, right?\n\n592\n00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:31,040\nstays healthy is for it to burn, right?\n \n\n593\n00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,870\nstays healthy is for it to burn, right?\nSo I I don't know what's causing all\n\n594\n00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:32,880\nSo I I don't know what's causing all\n \n\n595\n00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,870\nSo I I don't know what's causing all\nthis pyromania,\n\n596\n00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:34,880\nthis pyromania,\n \n\n597\n00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,269\nthis pyromania,\nbut I will tell you that if you burn\n\n598\n00:14:37,269 --> 00:14:37,279\nbut I will tell you that if you burn\n \n\n599\n00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:40,470\nbut I will tell you that if you burn\nchaperel like behind me, it's been\n\n600\n00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:40,480\nchaperel like behind me, it's been\n \n\n601\n00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,230\nchaperel like behind me, it's been\ntreated. If you if you burn chaperel a\n\n602\n00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:44,240\ntreated. If you if you burn chaperel a\n \n\n603\n00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,790\ntreated. If you if you burn chaperel a\ncouple times in 10 years, you've lost\n\n604\n00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:46,800\ncouple times in 10 years, you've lost\n \n\n605\n00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,150\ncouple times in 10 years, you've lost\nit. It's gone only to be replaced by\n\n606\n00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:50,160\nit. It's gone only to be replaced by\n \n\n607\n00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,389\nit. It's gone only to be replaced by\nweeds.\n\n608\n00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:52,399\nweeds.\n \n\n609\n00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:55,990\nweeds.\nAnd studies of you know historical\n\n610\n00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:56,000\nAnd studies of you know historical\n \n\n611\n00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,269\nAnd studies of you know historical\nlayers of ash show that prior to human\n\n612\n00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:59,279\nlayers of ash show that prior to human\n \n\n613\n00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:00,790\nlayers of ash show that prior to human\nhabitation\n\n614\n00:15:00,790 --> 00:15:00,800\nhabitation\n \n\n615\n00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,470\nhabitation\nokay because humans have been here maybe\n\n616\n00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:02,480\nokay because humans have been here maybe\n \n\n617\n00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,150\nokay because humans have been here maybe\n20 25,000 years but you know chaperel\n\n618\n00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:06,160\n20 25,000 years but you know chaperel\n \n\n619\n00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,990\n20 25,000 years but you know chaperel\nevolved millions of years ago with its\n\n620\n00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:08,000\nevolved millions of years ago with its\n \n\n621\n00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,629\nevolved millions of years ago with its\nall natural ecology\n\n622\n00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:10,639\nall natural ecology\n \n\n623\n00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:12,710\nall natural ecology\nthe actually historic fire cycle was\n\n624\n00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:12,720\nthe actually historic fire cycle was\n \n\n625\n00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,269\nthe actually historic fire cycle was\nonce at minimum every 30 years more like\n\n626\n00:15:17,269 --> 00:15:17,279\nonce at minimum every 30 years more like\n \n\n627\n00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:21,670\nonce at minimum every 30 years more like\naround 100 to 150 years okay\n\n628\n00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:21,680\naround 100 to 150 years okay\n \n\n629\n00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,670\naround 100 to 150 years okay\nAnd people would shake their heads and\n\n630\n00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:23,680\nAnd people would shake their heads and\n \n\n631\n00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,750\nAnd people would shake their heads and\nbe surprising. But look at what your\n\n632\n00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:25,760\nbe surprising. But look at what your\n \n\n633\n00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,629\nbe surprising. But look at what your\nnatural ignition sources when you take\n\n634\n00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:28,639\nnatural ignition sources when you take\n \n\n635\n00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:30,710\nnatural ignition sources when you take\nhumans out of thea equation when all\n\n636\n00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:30,720\nhumans out of thea equation when all\n \n\n637\n00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,870\nhumans out of thea equation when all\nthis was\n\n638\n00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:32,880\nthis was\n \n\n639\n00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,430\nthis was\ndeveloping, evolving, right? Lightning.\n\n640\n00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:35,440\ndeveloping, evolving, right? Lightning.\n \n\n641\n00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,829\ndeveloping, evolving, right? Lightning.\nLightning. Lightning. Did anybody say\n\n642\n00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:37,839\nLightning. Lightning. Did anybody say\n \n\n643\n00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:41,110\nLightning. Lightning. Did anybody say\nlightning? Okay, I got one more.\n\n644\n00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:41,120\nlightning? Okay, I got one more.\n \n\n645\n00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,710\nlightning? Okay, I got one more.\nVolcanoes.\n\n646\n00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:42,720\nVolcanoes.\n \n\n647\n00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,230\nVolcanoes.\nAnd how often do you have lightning\n\n648\n00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:44,240\nAnd how often do you have lightning\n \n\n649\n00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,110\nAnd how often do you have lightning\nstorms during Santa Ana wind events?\n\n650\n00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:47,120\nstorms during Santa Ana wind events?\n \n\n651\n00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,870\nstorms during Santa Ana wind events?\nOkay.\n\n652\n00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:48,880\nOkay.\n \n\n653\n00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,430\nOkay.\nSo, the vast vast majority are\n\n654\n00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:51,440\nSo, the vast vast majority are\n \n\n655\n00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,030\nSo, the vast vast majority are\nhuman-caused.\n\n656\n00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:53,040\nhuman-caused.\n \n\n657\n00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,230\nhuman-caused.\nUm, in fact, another study that John and\n\n658\n00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:56,240\nUm, in fact, another study that John and\n \n\n659\n00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:01,269\nUm, in fact, another study that John and\nAlex did, uh, 97 to 100%\n\n660\n00:16:01,269 --> 00:16:01,279\nAlex did, uh, 97 to 100%\n \n\n661\n00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:03,509\nAlex did, uh, 97 to 100%\nfor all Southern California counties\n\n662\n00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:03,519\nfor all Southern California counties\n \n\n663\n00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,509\nfor all Southern California counties\nfrom 1919 to 2016, and it still holds\n\n664\n00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:07,519\nfrom 1919 to 2016, and it still holds\n \n\n665\n00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:12,629\nfrom 1919 to 2016, and it still holds\ntrue, were human caused. Okay. I looked\n\n666\n00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:12,639\ntrue, were human caused. Okay. I looked\n \n\n667\n00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,470\ntrue, were human caused. Okay. I looked\nat a fire map of where I'm at in\n\n668\n00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:14,480\nat a fire map of where I'm at in\n \n\n669\n00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,550\nat a fire map of where I'm at in\nEscandido.\n\n670\n00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:16,560\nEscandido.\n \n\n671\n00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,829\nEscandido.\nuh stretching back to like 1910, lots\n\n672\n00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:19,839\nuh stretching back to like 1910, lots\n \n\n673\n00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:22,230\nuh stretching back to like 1910, lots\nand lots of overlaid fires. Not a single\n\n674\n00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:22,240\nand lots of overlaid fires. Not a single\n \n\n675\n00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,030\nand lots of overlaid fires. Not a single\none was had a natural cause. They were\n\n676\n00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:25,040\none was had a natural cause. They were\n \n\n677\n00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,150\none was had a natural cause. They were\nall human cause. So now that fire cycle\n\n678\n00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:28,160\nall human cause. So now that fire cycle\n \n\n679\n00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,030\nall human cause. So now that fire cycle\nis like every 5 to 10 years and you see\n\n680\n00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:31,040\nis like every 5 to 10 years and you see\n \n\n681\n00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,509\nis like every 5 to 10 years and you see\nthe horrible degradation.\n\n682\n00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:33,519\nthe horrible degradation.\n \n\n683\n00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,710\nthe horrible degradation.\nOkay. The bottom line is chaperel needs\n\n684\n00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:36,720\nOkay. The bottom line is chaperel needs\n \n\n685\n00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,870\nOkay. The bottom line is chaperel needs\nto burn like your home needs to burn\n\n686\n00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:38,880\nto burn like your home needs to burn\n \n\n687\n00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,790\nto burn like your home needs to burn\nbecause you have fire insurance.\n\n688\n00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:42,800\n\n \n\n689\n00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,629\n\nIt doesn't need to burn. It has\n\n690\n00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:44,639\nIt doesn't need to burn. It has\n \n\n691\n00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:46,629\nIt doesn't need to burn. It has\nadaptations, but they were to very\n\n692\n00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:46,639\nadaptations, but they were to very\n \n\n693\n00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:50,310\nadaptations, but they were to very\ncatastrophic but highly infrequent\n\n694\n00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:50,320\ncatastrophic but highly infrequent\n \n\n695\n00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,550\ncatastrophic but highly infrequent\nmega fire events that wouldn't stop till\n\n696\n00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:52,560\nmega fire events that wouldn't stop till\n \n\n697\n00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,550\nmega fire events that wouldn't stop till\nthey hit the ocean, but then they had\n\n698\n00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:54,560\nthey hit the ocean, but then they had\n \n\n699\n00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,470\nthey hit the ocean, but then they had\nplenty of time to recover and go through\n\n700\n00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:56,480\nplenty of time to recover and go through\n \n\n701\n00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,189\nplenty of time to recover and go through\necological succession and that was their\n\n702\n00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:59,199\necological succession and that was their\n \n\n703\n00:16:59,199 --> 00:17:02,230\necological succession and that was their\nrecovery mechanism.\n\n704\n00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:02,240\nrecovery mechanism.\n \n\n705\n00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,710\nrecovery mechanism.\nSo, here's some human ignition sources,\n\n706\n00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:04,720\nSo, here's some human ignition sources,\n \n\n707\n00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,710\nSo, here's some human ignition sources,\nright? So, arson, yeah, a lot of sick\n\n708\n00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:08,720\nright? So, arson, yeah, a lot of sick\n \n\n709\n00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,829\nright? So, arson, yeah, a lot of sick\npeople running around. Um, electrical\n\n710\n00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:11,839\npeople running around. Um, electrical\n \n\n711\n00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,150\npeople running around. Um, electrical\nfire. This is a big one, guys. I did a\n\n712\n00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:14,160\nfire. This is a big one, guys. I did a\n \n\n713\n00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,429\nfire. This is a big one, guys. I did a\nlot of the survey work for uh San Diego\n\n714\n00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:17,439\nlot of the survey work for uh San Diego\n \n\n715\n00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:20,150\nlot of the survey work for uh San Diego\nGas and Electric after the 2007 fire.\n\n716\n00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:20,160\nGas and Electric after the 2007 fire.\n \n\n717\n00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,150\nGas and Electric after the 2007 fire.\nMany many of those fires were caused\n\n718\n00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:22,160\nMany many of those fires were caused\n \n\n719\n00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,029\nMany many of those fires were caused\nunfortunately by their equipment arcing.\n\n720\n00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:25,039\nunfortunately by their equipment arcing.\n \n\n721\n00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,510\nunfortunately by their equipment arcing.\nAnd we estimate we lost between 10,000\n\n722\n00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:27,520\nAnd we estimate we lost between 10,000\n \n\n723\n00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,510\nAnd we estimate we lost between 10,000\n100,000\n\n724\n00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:29,520\n100,000\n \n\n725\n00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,070\n100,000\nrare and endangered Angleman oaks down\n\n726\n00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:32,080\nrare and endangered Angleman oaks down\n \n\n727\n00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,549\nrare and endangered Angleman oaks down\nhere. It was horrible.\n\n728\n00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:34,559\nhere. It was horrible.\n \n\n729\n00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:36,390\nhere. It was horrible.\nSmoking. Hopefully this is becoming less\n\n730\n00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:36,400\nSmoking. Hopefully this is becoming less\n \n\n731\n00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,230\nSmoking. Hopefully this is becoming less\nof an issue. Trash burning.\n\n732\n00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:40,240\nof an issue. Trash burning.\n \n\n733\n00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,190\nof an issue. Trash burning.\nYeah, like the Puma fire that burned\n\n734\n00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:43,200\nYeah, like the Puma fire that burned\n \n\n735\n00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,830\nYeah, like the Puma fire that burned\ndown half of Palomar Mountain was\n\n736\n00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:45,840\ndown half of Palomar Mountain was\n \n\n737\n00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,230\ndown half of Palomar Mountain was\nstarted by a man who decided to burn his\n\n738\n00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:48,240\nstarted by a man who decided to burn his\n \n\n739\n00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,830\nstarted by a man who decided to burn his\ntrash in the middle of a Santana.\n\n740\n00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:51,840\ntrash in the middle of a Santana.\n \n\n741\n00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,310\ntrash in the middle of a Santana.\nCars, this is also a big one. Uh, you\n\n742\n00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:54,320\nCars, this is also a big one. Uh, you\n \n\n743\n00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,710\nCars, this is also a big one. Uh, you\nknow, bad catalytic converters spitting\n\n744\n00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:56,720\nknow, bad catalytic converters spitting\n \n\n745\n00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,310\nknow, bad catalytic converters spitting\nout their guts or people dragging chains\n\n746\n00:18:00,310 --> 00:18:00,320\nout their guts or people dragging chains\n \n\n747\n00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,350\nout their guts or people dragging chains\nand sparking. Uh those fires tend to be\n\n748\n00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:03,360\nand sparking. Uh those fires tend to be\n \n\n749\n00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,070\nand sparking. Uh those fires tend to be\nrather regular along the freeway there\n\n750\n00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:06,080\nrather regular along the freeway there\n \n\n751\n00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,909\nrather regular along the freeway there\nand uh they're they're kind of\n\n752\n00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:07,919\nand uh they're they're kind of\n \n\n753\n00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:10,070\nand uh they're they're kind of\nrecognizable or just a plain car fire\n\n754\n00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:10,080\nrecognizable or just a plain car fire\n \n\n755\n00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,750\nrecognizable or just a plain car fire\nwhere they've pulled over, catches on\n\n756\n00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:11,760\nwhere they've pulled over, catches on\n \n\n757\n00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,150\nwhere they've pulled over, catches on\nfire and burns up the hill next to it.\n\n758\n00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:16,160\nfire and burns up the hill next to it.\n \n\n759\n00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,390\nfire and burns up the hill next to it.\nChildren playing with fire shockingly.\n\n760\n00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:18,400\nChildren playing with fire shockingly.\n \n\n761\n00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,029\nChildren playing with fire shockingly.\nUh the lilac fire down here was a\n\n762\n00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:23,039\nUh the lilac fire down here was a\n \n\n763\n00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:25,270\nUh the lilac fire down here was a\n14-year-old girl running around lighting\n\n764\n00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:25,280\n14-year-old girl running around lighting\n \n\n765\n00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,710\n14-year-old girl running around lighting\nfires. It was horrific. The winds the\n\n766\n00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:28,720\nfires. It was horrific. The winds the\n \n\n767\n00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,029\nfires. It was horrific. The winds the\nwind storm was akin to what they were\n\n768\n00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:31,039\nwind storm was akin to what they were\n \n\n769\n00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:33,430\nwind storm was akin to what they were\nseeing up in Palisades\n\n770\n00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:33,440\nseeing up in Palisades\n \n\n771\n00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,230\nseeing up in Palisades\nand just huge burns up in North County.\n\n772\n00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:36,240\nand just huge burns up in North County.\n \n\n773\n00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,669\nand just huge burns up in North County.\nBut fortunately all of our customers\n\n774\n00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:37,679\nBut fortunately all of our customers\n \n\n775\n00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:39,350\nBut fortunately all of our customers\nsurvived.\n\n776\n00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:39,360\nsurvived.\n \n\n777\n00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:42,230\nsurvived.\nAnd then this,\n\n778\n00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:42,240\nAnd then this,\n \n\n779\n00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,909\nAnd then this,\nyou see what's going on here? This was\n\n780\n00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:43,919\nyou see what's going on here? This was\n \n\n781\n00:18:43,919 --> 00:18:46,630\nyou see what's going on here? This was\nless than a mile from my office.\n\n782\n00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:46,640\nless than a mile from my office.\n \n\n783\n00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,470\nless than a mile from my office.\nIronically, they were doing um\n\n784\n00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:50,480\nIronically, they were doing um\n \n\n785\n00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,549\nIronically, they were doing um\nuh weed abatement for fire.\n\n786\n00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:54,559\nuh weed abatement for fire.\n \n\n787\n00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:58,070\nuh weed abatement for fire.\nAnd folks, when they do this work,\n\n788\n00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:58,080\nAnd folks, when they do this work,\n \n\n789\n00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,630\nAnd folks, when they do this work,\nthink have a few fivegallon buckets of\n\n790\n00:19:00,630 --> 00:19:00,640\nthink have a few fivegallon buckets of\n \n\n791\n00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,430\nthink have a few fivegallon buckets of\nwater on the back of the truck or have a\n\n792\n00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:03,440\nwater on the back of the truck or have a\n \n\n793\n00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,950\nwater on the back of the truck or have a\nhose nearby, something, right? Because a\n\n794\n00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:06,960\nhose nearby, something, right? Because a\n \n\n795\n00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,549\nhose nearby, something, right? Because a\nlot of these have metal blades. That\n\n796\n00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:08,559\nlot of these have metal blades. That\n \n\n797\n00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:10,950\nlot of these have metal blades. That\nmetal blade sparks off a rock and you're\n\n798\n00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:10,960\nmetal blade sparks off a rock and you're\n \n\n799\n00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,990\nmetal blade sparks off a rock and you're\noff to the races. So,\n\n800\n00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:14,000\noff to the races. So,\n \n\n801\n00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,830\noff to the races. So,\nyep, that's a huge one, too.\n\n802\n00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:17,840\nyep, that's a huge one, too.\n \n\n803\n00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,669\nyep, that's a huge one, too.\nSo, let's talk about planning a little\n\n804\n00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:19,679\nSo, let's talk about planning a little\n \n\n805\n00:19:19,679 --> 00:19:21,669\nSo, let's talk about planning a little\nbit.\n\n806\n00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:21,679\nbit.\n \n\n807\n00:19:21,679 --> 00:19:24,230\nbit.\nSo, one of these situations because\n\n808\n00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:24,240\nSo, one of these situations because\n \n\n809\n00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,350\nSo, one of these situations because\npeople love to have a view obviously,\n\n810\n00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:27,360\npeople love to have a view obviously,\n \n\n811\n00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,190\npeople love to have a view obviously,\nbut they're building too close to the\n\n812\n00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:29,200\nbut they're building too close to the\n \n\n813\n00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,430\nbut they're building too close to the\ncanyon, right? And there's nothing to\n\n814\n00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:31,440\ncanyon, right? And there's nothing to\n \n\n815\n00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,110\ncanyon, right? And there's nothing to\nprotect them. These homes were wide\n\n816\n00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:33,120\nprotect them. These homes were wide\n \n\n817\n00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,510\nprotect them. These homes were wide\nopen. They did everything right. You can\n\n818\n00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:35,520\nopen. They did everything right. You can\n \n\n819\n00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,510\nopen. They did everything right. You can\nclearly see the bare ground structures,\n\n820\n00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:39,520\nclearly see the bare ground structures,\n \n\n821\n00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,110\nclearly see the bare ground structures,\nokay? The stuff was cleared. Um, didn't\n\n822\n00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:43,120\nokay? The stuff was cleared. Um, didn't\n \n\n823\n00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:44,870\nokay? The stuff was cleared. Um, didn't\nprotect the homes at all right along the\n\n824\n00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:44,880\nprotect the homes at all right along the\n \n\n825\n00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,150\nprotect the homes at all right along the\nedge there. And this is a very dangerous\n\n826\n00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:48,160\nedge there. And this is a very dangerous\n \n\n827\n00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,830\nedge there. And this is a very dangerous\nsituation. That fire came from the left\n\n828\n00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:51,840\nsituation. That fire came from the left\n \n\n829\n00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,909\nsituation. That fire came from the left\nand where we're standing here to the\n\n830\n00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:53,919\nand where we're standing here to the\n \n\n831\n00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:57,430\nand where we're standing here to the\nright towards the homes and they just\n\n832\n00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:57,440\nright towards the homes and they just\n \n\n833\n00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,950\nright towards the homes and they just\nthe flames just shot up those hillsides\n\n834\n00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:00,960\nthe flames just shot up those hillsides\n \n\n835\n00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,310\nthe flames just shot up those hillsides\nand burned everything along the edge.\n\n836\n00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:04,320\nand burned everything along the edge.\n \n\n837\n00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,430\nand burned everything along the edge.\nSo, we need to think about setbacks.\n\n838\n00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:07,440\nSo, we need to think about setbacks.\n \n\n839\n00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,270\nSo, we need to think about setbacks.\nUh you definitely don't want to be\n\n840\n00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:09,280\nUh you definitely don't want to be\n \n\n841\n00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,870\nUh you definitely don't want to be\nbuilding right at the end of a box\n\n842\n00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:10,880\nbuilding right at the end of a box\n \n\n843\n00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,590\nbuilding right at the end of a box\ncanyon. And again, this is where we need\n\n844\n00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:13,600\ncanyon. And again, this is where we need\n \n\n845\n00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,350\ncanyon. And again, this is where we need\nto be looking at the aerodynamics of\n\n846\n00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:15,360\nto be looking at the aerodynamics of\n \n\n847\n00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,830\nto be looking at the aerodynamics of\nwind driven fire and when you have\n\n848\n00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:17,840\nwind driven fire and when you have\n \n\n849\n00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,669\nwind driven fire and when you have\nbasically smooth laminar flow,\n\n850\n00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:21,679\nbasically smooth laminar flow,\n \n\n851\n00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:23,590\nbasically smooth laminar flow,\nuh how that affects structures that are\n\n852\n00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:23,600\nuh how that affects structures that are\n \n\n853\n00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,470\nuh how that affects structures that are\nadjacent.\n\n854\n00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:26,480\nadjacent.\n \n\n855\n00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,630\nadjacent.\nOkay, this is from the Witch Creek fire.\n\n856\n00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:28,640\nOkay, this is from the Witch Creek fire.\n \n\n857\n00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,149\nOkay, this is from the Witch Creek fire.\nAnd if you look in the middle there,\n\n858\n00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:30,159\nAnd if you look in the middle there,\n \n\n859\n00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:33,270\nAnd if you look in the middle there,\nupper middle, you'll see a peninsula\n\n860\n00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:33,280\nupper middle, you'll see a peninsula\n \n\n861\n00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,070\nupper middle, you'll see a peninsula\nhere. Let me zoom in on that.\n\n862\n00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:36,080\nhere. Let me zoom in on that.\n \n\n863\n00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,669\nhere. Let me zoom in on that.\nOkay.\n\n864\n00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:37,679\nOkay.\n \n\n865\n00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:39,270\nOkay.\nUm,\n\n866\n00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:39,280\nUm,\n \n\n867\n00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,870\nUm,\nalmost every home was lost.\n\n868\n00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:42,880\nalmost every home was lost.\n \n\n869\n00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,789\nalmost every home was lost.\nYou had this narrow culde-sac out on a\n\n870\n00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:46,799\nYou had this narrow culde-sac out on a\n \n\n871\n00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:49,830\nYou had this narrow culde-sac out on a\npeninsula that is was surrounded on all\n\n872\n00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:49,840\npeninsula that is was surrounded on all\n \n\n873\n00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,590\npeninsula that is was surrounded on all\nsides by fire. In this case, just think\n\n874\n00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:53,600\nsides by fire. In this case, just think\n \n\n875\n00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,070\nsides by fire. In this case, just think\nabout the what it was like for these\n\n876\n00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:56,080\nabout the what it was like for these\n \n\n877\n00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,830\nabout the what it was like for these\npeople trying to evacuate on this very\n\n878\n00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:59,840\npeople trying to evacuate on this very\n \n\n879\n00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,149\npeople trying to evacuate on this very\nnarrow road and you've got fire\n\n880\n00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:02,159\nnarrow road and you've got fire\n \n\n881\n00:21:02,159 --> 00:21:03,750\nnarrow road and you've got fire\nequipment trying to come in and fight\n\n882\n00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:03,760\nequipment trying to come in and fight\n \n\n883\n00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,669\nequipment trying to come in and fight\nthis fire.\n\n884\n00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:05,679\nthis fire.\n \n\n885\n00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:07,750\nthis fire.\nYeah. That's why so many homes burned\n\n886\n00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:07,760\nYeah. That's why so many homes burned\n \n\n887\n00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,070\nYeah. That's why so many homes burned\nalong there. So, this is all planning.\n\n888\n00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:10,080\nalong there. So, this is all planning.\n \n\n889\n00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,669\nalong there. So, this is all planning.\nThese are all planning considerations\n\n890\n00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:11,679\nThese are all planning considerations\n \n\n891\n00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:14,070\nThese are all planning considerations\nfor you planners out there and what what\n\n892\n00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:14,080\nfor you planners out there and what what\n \n\n893\n00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,149\nfor you planners out there and what what\nthey're permitting on on these big\n\n894\n00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:16,159\nthey're permitting on on these big\n \n\n895\n00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:18,070\nthey're permitting on on these big\ndevelopment projects. And they're\n\n896\n00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:18,080\ndevelopment projects. And they're\n \n\n897\n00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,750\ndevelopment projects. And they're\npushing out more and more into the\n\n898\n00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:19,760\npushing out more and more into the\n \n\n899\n00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,070\npushing out more and more into the\nnatural chapel, too. So, we're just\n\n900\n00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:22,080\nnatural chapel, too. So, we're just\n \n\n901\n00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,669\nnatural chapel, too. So, we're just\ncoming up against the wildlands\n\n902\n00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:23,679\ncoming up against the wildlands\n \n\n903\n00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:26,549\ncoming up against the wildlands\neverywhere.\n\n904\n00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:26,559\neverywhere.\n \n\n905\n00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:30,630\neverywhere.\nSo, here's an example of a a green belt\n\n906\n00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:30,640\nSo, here's an example of a a green belt\n \n\n907\n00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,029\nSo, here's an example of a a green belt\naround a community. I would not have\n\n908\n00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:33,039\naround a community. I would not have\n \n\n909\n00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,190\naround a community. I would not have\nthinned as much as this, but it shows\n\n910\n00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:35,200\nthinned as much as this, but it shows\n \n\n911\n00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,190\nthinned as much as this, but it shows\nthat it created a defensible perimeter.\n\n912\n00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:39,200\nthat it created a defensible perimeter.\n \n\n913\n00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,310\nthat it created a defensible perimeter.\nBut I especially want you to notice\n\n914\n00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:42,320\nBut I especially want you to notice\n \n\n915\n00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,750\nBut I especially want you to notice\nin the middle left that stand of oak\n\n916\n00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:45,760\nin the middle left that stand of oak\n \n\n917\n00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,830\nin the middle left that stand of oak\ntrees next to that house.\n\n918\n00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:49,840\ntrees next to that house.\n \n\n919\n00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,029\ntrees next to that house.\nThose absolutely saved that house. You\n\n920\n00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:53,039\nThose absolutely saved that house. You\n \n\n921\n00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,870\nThose absolutely saved that house. You\ncan see where the radiant heat scorched\n\n922\n00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:54,880\ncan see where the radiant heat scorched\n \n\n923\n00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,830\ncan see where the radiant heat scorched\nthe leaves on this side and on the green\n\n924\n00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:57,840\nthe leaves on this side and on the green\n \n\n925\n00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,750\nthe leaves on this side and on the green\nside you have a standing intact home.\n\n926\n00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:01,760\nside you have a standing intact home.\n \n\n927\n00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,270\nside you have a standing intact home.\nOkay. Now, there was I like this trail\n\n928\n00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:05,280\nOkay. Now, there was I like this trail\n \n\n929\n00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,430\nOkay. Now, there was I like this trail\ngoing around there because that provides\n\n930\n00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:07,440\ngoing around there because that provides\n \n\n931\n00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,669\ngoing around there because that provides\naccess\n\n932\n00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:09,679\naccess\n \n\n933\n00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:12,470\naccess\nand they left and thin a lot of thinned\n\n934\n00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:12,480\nand they left and thin a lot of thinned\n \n\n935\n00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,710\nand they left and thin a lot of thinned\nnative vegetation which again can act as\n\n936\n00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:16,720\nnative vegetation which again can act as\n \n\n937\n00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,350\nnative vegetation which again can act as\nember deflectors, catchers and coolers.\n\n938\n00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:19,360\nember deflectors, catchers and coolers.\n \n\n939\n00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,029\nember deflectors, catchers and coolers.\nOkay.\n\n940\n00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:21,039\nOkay.\n \n\n941\n00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,430\nOkay.\nUm this is sort of the concept that I\n\n942\n00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:23,440\nUm this is sort of the concept that I\n \n\n943\n00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,149\nUm this is sort of the concept that I\nhave for communities like Palisades and\n\n944\n00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:26,159\nhave for communities like Palisades and\n \n\n945\n00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:29,270\nhave for communities like Palisades and\nuh Aladinas. Create these\n\n946\n00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:29,280\nuh Aladinas. Create these\n \n\n947\n00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,750\nuh Aladinas. Create these\nnative green belts\n\n948\n00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:31,760\nnative green belts\n \n\n949\n00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,149\nnative green belts\naround the community\n\n950\n00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:34,159\naround the community\n \n\n951\n00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:37,909\naround the community\nthat have trees and shrubs that are\n\n952\n00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:37,919\nthat have trees and shrubs that are\n \n\n953\n00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:39,669\nthat have trees and shrubs that are\nlayered in there. Maybe no more than\n\n954\n00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:39,679\nlayered in there. Maybe no more than\n \n\n955\n00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:42,710\nlayered in there. Maybe no more than\ngroups of three. But you know as you're\n\n956\n00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:42,720\ngroups of three. But you know as you're\n \n\n957\n00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,029\ngroups of three. But you know as you're\nperpendicular to the fire direction, you\n\n958\n00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:45,039\nperpendicular to the fire direction, you\n \n\n959\n00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,710\nperpendicular to the fire direction, you\nknow they overlap. These groups uh go\n\n960\n00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:48,720\nknow they overlap. These groups uh go\n \n\n961\n00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,029\nknow they overlap. These groups uh go\ndown slope down slope and they overlap\n\n962\n00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:51,039\ndown slope down slope and they overlap\n \n\n963\n00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,110\ndown slope down slope and they overlap\nso that headon\n\n964\n00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:53,120\nso that headon\n \n\n965\n00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:57,190\nso that headon\nuh you have a fire block and why native?\n\n966\n00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:57,200\nuh you have a fire block and why native?\n \n\n967\n00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,870\nuh you have a fire block and why native?\nWell, for all the reasons we discussed\n\n968\n00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:58,880\nWell, for all the reasons we discussed\n \n\n969\n00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,950\nWell, for all the reasons we discussed\nplus it is so much less water and\n\n970\n00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:02,960\nplus it is so much less water and\n \n\n971\n00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,110\nplus it is so much less water and\nmaintenance required\n\n972\n00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:05,120\nmaintenance required\n \n\n973\n00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:08,630\nmaintenance required\nwhen we do these things. We um I didn't\n\n974\n00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:08,640\nwhen we do these things. We um I didn't\n \n\n975\n00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,510\nwhen we do these things. We um I didn't\ndo this but but the concept is to use a\n\n976\n00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:11,520\ndo this but but the concept is to use a\n \n\n977\n00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,149\ndo this but but the concept is to use a\nlot of evergreen native plants because\n\n978\n00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:14,159\nlot of evergreen native plants because\n \n\n979\n00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,549\nlot of evergreen native plants because\nthey hold that hydration best. So,\n\n980\n00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:16,559\nthey hold that hydration best. So,\n \n\n981\n00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,390\nthey hold that hydration best. So,\nManzanita, believe it or not, I've had\n\n982\n00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:18,400\nManzanita, believe it or not, I've had\n \n\n983\n00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:24,230\nManzanita, believe it or not, I've had\nhomes saved by manzanita oaks. Um,\n\n984\n00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:24,240\nhomes saved by manzanita oaks. Um,\n \n\n985\n00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,549\nhomes saved by manzanita oaks. Um,\nCatalina cherry, hoon, lemonade, berry.\n\n986\n00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:28,559\nCatalina cherry, hoon, lemonade, berry.\n \n\n987\n00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:31,110\nCatalina cherry, hoon, lemonade, berry.\nUm,\n\n988\n00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:31,120\nUm,\n \n\n989\n00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:34,070\nUm,\nthese are wonderful ember catchers and\n\n990\n00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:34,080\nthese are wonderful ember catchers and\n \n\n991\n00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,750\nthese are wonderful ember catchers and\ncoolers.\n\n992\n00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:35,760\ncoolers.\n \n\n993\n00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,990\ncoolers.\nAnd plus, it looks beautiful. I mean,\n\n994\n00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:38,000\nAnd plus, it looks beautiful. I mean,\n \n\n995\n00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,990\nAnd plus, it looks beautiful. I mean,\nit's beautiful.\n\n996\n00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:40,000\nit's beautiful.\n \n\n997\n00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,510\nit's beautiful.\nSo, you know, it does when you design\n\n998\n00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:43,520\nSo, you know, it does when you design\n \n\n999\n00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,669\nSo, you know, it does when you design\nthese, right? They don't go dead dry\n\n1000\n00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:45,679\nthese, right? They don't go dead dry\n \n\n1001\n00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:48,470\nthese, right? They don't go dead dry\ndormant in summertime. That is really\n\n1002\n00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:48,480\ndormant in summertime. That is really\n \n\n1003\n00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,510\ndormant in summertime. That is really\nkind of a lack of plant knowledge and\n\n1004\n00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:51,520\nkind of a lack of plant knowledge and\n \n\n1005\n00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,950\nkind of a lack of plant knowledge and\nand what to use. And I can tell you if\n\n1006\n00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:54,960\nand what to use. And I can tell you if\n \n\n1007\n00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,830\nand what to use. And I can tell you if\nour landscapes were looking dead half\n\n1008\n00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:57,840\nour landscapes were looking dead half\n \n\n1009\n00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,190\nour landscapes were looking dead half\nthe year, I wouldn't be sitting here\n\n1010\n00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:59,200\nthe year, I wouldn't be sitting here\n \n\n1011\n00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,830\nthe year, I wouldn't be sitting here\ntalking to you.\n\n1012\n00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:01,840\ntalking to you.\n \n\n1013\n00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,029\ntalking to you.\nSo this is this is just a little review.\n\n1014\n00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:05,039\nSo this is this is just a little review.\n \n\n1015\n00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:06,549\nSo this is this is just a little review.\nI'm sure you're all familiar with these\n\n1016\n00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:06,559\nI'm sure you're all familiar with these\n \n\n1017\n00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,230\nI'm sure you're all familiar with these\nconcepts about home hardening.\n\n1018\n00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:10,240\nconcepts about home hardening.\n \n\n1019\n00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,190\nconcepts about home hardening.\nAnd this is what saves homes. This is\n\n1020\n00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:13,200\nAnd this is what saves homes. This is\n \n\n1021\n00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,310\nAnd this is what saves homes. This is\nabsolutely what saves homes and fires.\n\n1022\n00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:16,320\nabsolutely what saves homes and fires.\n \n\n1023\n00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:22,630\nabsolutely what saves homes and fires.\nOkay. Up there in the eaves, right? Um\n\n1024\n00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:22,640\n\n \n\n1025\n00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,710\n\nup in the eaves there.\n\n1026\n00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:26,720\n\n \n\n1027\n00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,029\n\nNow we're going towards boxed in eaves.\n\n1028\n00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:29,039\nNow we're going towards boxed in eaves.\n \n\n1029\n00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,350\nNow we're going towards boxed in eaves.\nNo exposed rafters or if they are\n\n1030\n00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:31,360\nNo exposed rafters or if they are\n \n\n1031\n00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,909\nNo exposed rafters or if they are\nrafters, joist, they're they're big\n\n1032\n00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:33,919\nrafters, joist, they're they're big\n \n\n1033\n00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:36,630\nrafters, joist, they're they're big\ntimbers, okay, that are slow to burn.\n\n1034\n00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:36,640\ntimbers, okay, that are slow to burn.\n \n\n1035\n00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,390\ntimbers, okay, that are slow to burn.\nBut in general, we're going towards\n\n1036\n00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:38,400\nBut in general, we're going towards\n \n\n1037\n00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,870\nBut in general, we're going towards\nboxed in eaves.\n\n1038\n00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:40,880\nboxed in eaves.\n \n\n1039\n00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,950\nboxed in eaves.\nAnd then the vents\n\n1040\n00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:42,960\nAnd then the vents\n \n\n1041\n00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,269\nAnd then the vents\nare in the bottom of these eaves facing\n\n1042\n00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:45,279\nare in the bottom of these eaves facing\n \n\n1043\n00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:51,510\nare in the bottom of these eaves facing\nvertically with screens over them. Um\n\n1044\n00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:51,520\nvertically with screens over them. Um\n \n\n1045\n00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,549\nvertically with screens over them. Um\nthe windows, this is a big one, guys. Uh\n\n1046\n00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:54,559\nthe windows, this is a big one, guys. Uh\n \n\n1047\n00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,750\nthe windows, this is a big one, guys. Uh\nso many of the fires you would see that\n\n1048\n00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:57,760\nso many of the fires you would see that\n \n\n1049\n00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,510\nso many of the fires you would see that\neven double pane windows\n\n1050\n00:25:01,510 --> 00:25:01,520\neven double pane windows\n \n\n1051\n00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,590\neven double pane windows\nwould fall in if they were um in vinyl\n\n1052\n00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:05,600\nwould fall in if they were um in vinyl\n \n\n1053\n00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,310\nwould fall in if they were um in vinyl\nframes. They really need to be metallic\n\n1054\n00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:08,320\nframes. They really need to be metallic\n \n\n1055\n00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,789\nframes. They really need to be metallic\nframes. Okay. I'm not sure how\n\n1056\n00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:10,799\nframes. Okay. I'm not sure how\n \n\n1057\n00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,350\nframes. Okay. I'm not sure how\nfiberglass does.\n\n1058\n00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:13,360\nfiberglass does.\n \n\n1059\n00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,190\nfiberglass does.\nThat may be an option, but I haven't\n\n1060\n00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:15,200\nThat may be an option, but I haven't\n \n\n1061\n00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,549\nThat may be an option, but I haven't\nreally tested it or seen it per se.\n\n1062\n00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:18,559\nreally tested it or seen it per se.\n \n\n1063\n00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,549\nreally tested it or seen it per se.\nBut all of our clients had metal frame\n\n1064\n00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:22,559\nBut all of our clients had metal frame\n \n\n1065\n00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,950\nBut all of our clients had metal frame\ndoublepaneed windows.\n\n1066\n00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:24,960\ndoublepaneed windows.\n \n\n1067\n00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,390\ndoublepaneed windows.\nUh especially in the presumed direction\n\n1068\n00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:28,400\nUh especially in the presumed direction\n \n\n1069\n00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,430\nUh especially in the presumed direction\nof the fire which in Southern California\n\n1070\n00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:31,440\nof the fire which in Southern California\n \n\n1071\n00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,430\nof the fire which in Southern California\ndue to Santana is usually from the\n\n1072\n00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:33,440\ndue to Santana is usually from the\n \n\n1073\n00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,950\ndue to Santana is usually from the\nnortheast.\n\n1074\n00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:34,960\nnortheast.\n \n\n1075\n00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,430\nnortheast.\nOkay. So at least on that side of the\n\n1076\n00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:37,440\nOkay. So at least on that side of the\n \n\n1077\n00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,470\nOkay. So at least on that side of the\nstructure. Of course your vents, right?\n\n1078\n00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:40,480\nstructure. Of course your vents, right?\n \n\n1079\n00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,950\nstructure. Of course your vents, right?\nAll screened. You want embers getting in\n\n1080\n00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:42,960\nAll screened. You want embers getting in\n \n\n1081\n00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,230\nAll screened. You want embers getting in\nthere. There's a lot of really good\n\n1082\n00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:44,240\nthere. There's a lot of really good\n \n\n1083\n00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,190\nthere. There's a lot of really good\nproducts out there now.\n\n1084\n00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:47,200\nproducts out there now.\n \n\n1085\n00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,789\nproducts out there now.\nuh obviously uh fireresistant roofing.\n\n1086\n00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:50,799\nuh obviously uh fireresistant roofing.\n \n\n1087\n00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,870\nuh obviously uh fireresistant roofing.\nOne thing to note on this, and I I think\n\n1088\n00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:52,880\nOne thing to note on this, and I I think\n \n\n1089\n00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,710\nOne thing to note on this, and I I think\nI think it's pretty well standard now,\n\n1090\n00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:54,720\nI think it's pretty well standard now,\n \n\n1091\n00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,830\nI think it's pretty well standard now,\nbut on your tile roofs, you want to make\n\n1092\n00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:57,840\nbut on your tile roofs, you want to make\n \n\n1093\n00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,710\nbut on your tile roofs, you want to make\nsure that the ends of those tile runs\n\n1094\n00:26:00,710 --> 00:26:00,720\nsure that the ends of those tile runs\n \n\n1095\n00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,990\nsure that the ends of those tile runs\nare uh plugged\n\n1096\n00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:04,000\nare uh plugged\n \n\n1097\n00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,830\nare uh plugged\nso that you don't have nesting in there\n\n1098\n00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:07,840\nso that you don't have nesting in there\n \n\n1099\n00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,070\nso that you don't have nesting in there\nor debris catching in there and lighting\n\n1100\n00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:12,080\nor debris catching in there and lighting\n \n\n1101\n00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,909\nor debris catching in there and lighting\nup the subroof. So, that's very\n\n1102\n00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:13,919\nup the subroof. So, that's very\n \n\n1103\n00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,830\nup the subroof. So, that's very\nimportant. And then most of your\n\n1104\n00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:15,840\nimportant. And then most of your\n \n\n1105\n00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,909\nimportant. And then most of your\ncomposits now are are are firerated.\n\n1106\n00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:19,919\ncomposits now are are are firerated.\n \n\n1107\n00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:21,510\ncomposits now are are are firerated.\nAnd then of course we're pushing more\n\n1108\n00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:21,520\nAnd then of course we're pushing more\n \n\n1109\n00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,669\nAnd then of course we're pushing more\nand more into the wildland, right? And\n\n1110\n00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:25,679\nand more into the wildland, right? And\n \n\n1111\n00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,149\nand more into the wildland, right? And\nyou know and and they're they're they're\n\n1112\n00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:28,159\nyou know and and they're they're they're\n \n\n1113\n00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,070\nyou know and and they're they're they're\nyou know\n\n1114\n00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:30,080\nyou know\n \n\n1115\n00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,310\nyou know\nsolution is to just destroy it. I mean\n\n1116\n00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:32,320\nsolution is to just destroy it. I mean\n \n\n1117\n00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,029\nsolution is to just destroy it. I mean\njust remove it leaving them vulnerable\n\n1118\n00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:35,039\njust remove it leaving them vulnerable\n \n\n1119\n00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,430\njust remove it leaving them vulnerable\nand you're you know you're destroying\n\n1120\n00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:37,440\nand you're you know you're destroying\n \n\n1121\n00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,510\nand you're you know you're destroying\ndouble the habitat than if you're just\n\n1122\n00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:39,520\ndouble the habitat than if you're just\n \n\n1123\n00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,669\ndouble the habitat than if you're just\nconcentrating on the development itself.\n\n1124\n00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:41,679\nconcentrating on the development itself.\n \n\n1125\n00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:43,750\nconcentrating on the development itself.\nI mean, it's just it's just ridiculous\n\n1126\n00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:43,760\nI mean, it's just it's just ridiculous\n \n\n1127\n00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,990\nI mean, it's just it's just ridiculous\nand I'm sorry about that and I'm hoping\n\n1128\n00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:46,000\nand I'm sorry about that and I'm hoping\n \n\n1129\n00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,909\nand I'm sorry about that and I'm hoping\nwe can get the word out to people.\n\n1130\n00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:49,919\nwe can get the word out to people.\n \n\n1131\n00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:51,990\nwe can get the word out to people.\nSo, let's talk a little bit about, you\n\n1132\n00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:52,000\nSo, let's talk a little bit about, you\n \n\n1133\n00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,190\nSo, let's talk a little bit about, you\nknow, zones, right? Fire zones. Now, if\n\n1134\n00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:55,200\nknow, zones, right? Fire zones. Now, if\n \n\n1135\n00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,190\nknow, zones, right? Fire zones. Now, if\nyou lived in Aladena or Palisades,\n\n1136\n00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:59,200\nyou lived in Aladena or Palisades,\n \n\n1137\n00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,149\nyou lived in Aladena or Palisades,\num, you barely got into zone one, okay?\n\n1138\n00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:04,159\num, you barely got into zone one, okay?\n \n\n1139\n00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:06,070\num, you barely got into zone one, okay?\nAnd the big one that everybody's talking\n\n1140\n00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:06,080\nAnd the big one that everybody's talking\n \n\n1141\n00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,789\nAnd the big one that everybody's talking\nabout is zone zero. Okay? That's fairly\n\n1142\n00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:08,799\nabout is zone zero. Okay? That's fairly\n \n\n1143\n00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,750\nabout is zone zero. Okay? That's fairly\nnew. That's usually the first 5T. Then\n\n1144\n00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:11,760\nnew. That's usually the first 5T. Then\n \n\n1145\n00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,230\nnew. That's usually the first 5T. Then\nyou have zone one or A which is usually\n\n1146\n00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:14,240\nyou have zone one or A which is usually\n \n\n1147\n00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,310\nyou have zone one or A which is usually\nthe next 30 to 50 ft. And they keep\n\n1148\n00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:16,320\nthe next 30 to 50 ft. And they keep\n \n\n1149\n00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,070\nthe next 30 to 50 ft. And they keep\npushing it out farther and farther\n\n1150\n00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:20,080\npushing it out farther and farther\n \n\n1151\n00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,149\npushing it out farther and farther\nand zone 2 or B which is the next 50 to\n\n1152\n00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:24,159\nand zone 2 or B which is the next 50 to\n \n\n1153\n00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:27,590\nand zone 2 or B which is the next 50 to\n70 ft or more. Okay? I mean there\n\n1154\n00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:27,600\n70 ft or more. Okay? I mean there\n \n\n1155\n00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,110\n70 ft or more. Okay? I mean there\nliterally guys there's insurance\n\n1156\n00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:29,120\nliterally guys there's insurance\n \n\n1157\n00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,990\nliterally guys there's insurance\ncompanies requiring people to clear two\n\n1158\n00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:32,000\ncompanies requiring people to clear two\n \n\n1159\n00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,750\ncompanies requiring people to clear two\nto 300 feet around their homes. Well,\n\n1160\n00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:35,760\nto 300 feet around their homes. Well,\n \n\n1161\n00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,430\nto 300 feet around their homes. Well,\nI'm going to show you some documentation\n\n1162\n00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:37,440\nI'm going to show you some documentation\n \n\n1163\n00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,430\nI'm going to show you some documentation\nof how that worked out. So,\n\n1164\n00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:41,440\nof how that worked out. So,\n \n\n1165\n00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,830\nof how that worked out. So,\nzone zero, there's a lot of controversy\n\n1166\n00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:43,840\nzone zero, there's a lot of controversy\n \n\n1167\n00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,590\nzone zero, there's a lot of controversy\nabout this. Um,\n\n1168\n00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:47,600\nabout this. Um,\n \n\n1169\n00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,110\nabout this. Um,\nI'm a believer in it to an extent,\n\n1170\n00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:53,120\nI'm a believer in it to an extent,\n \n\n1171\n00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,389\nI'm a believer in it to an extent,\nbut we typically are implementing on new\n\n1172\n00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:56,399\nbut we typically are implementing on new\n \n\n1173\n00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,389\nbut we typically are implementing on new\nconstruction. I do have a picture of a\n\n1174\n00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:58,399\nconstruction. I do have a picture of a\n \n\n1175\n00:27:58,399 --> 00:27:59,990\nconstruction. I do have a picture of a\nretrofit.\n\n1176\n00:27:59,990 --> 00:28:00,000\nretrofit.\n \n\n1177\n00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,750\nretrofit.\nUm,\n\n1178\n00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:01,760\nUm,\n \n\n1179\n00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,230\nUm,\nso new construction, we're not planting\n\n1180\n00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:04,240\nso new construction, we're not planting\n \n\n1181\n00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,389\nso new construction, we're not planting\nvegetation closer than five feet. And\n\n1182\n00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:06,399\nvegetation closer than five feet. And\n \n\n1183\n00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:08,470\nvegetation closer than five feet. And\nusually we put an apron around the\n\n1184\n00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:08,480\nusually we put an apron around the\n \n\n1185\n00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,350\nusually we put an apron around the\nhouse. That's either decomposed granite\n\n1186\n00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:11,360\nhouse. That's either decomposed granite\n \n\n1187\n00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,909\nhouse. That's either decomposed granite\nor gravel. Nothing. I don't like to use\n\n1188\n00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:13,919\nor gravel. Nothing. I don't like to use\n \n\n1189\n00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:17,190\nor gravel. Nothing. I don't like to use\nnothing because weeds come in. Um, or\n\n1190\n00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:17,200\nnothing because weeds come in. Um, or\n \n\n1191\n00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,350\nnothing because weeds come in. Um, or\neven concrete. You'll see people putting\n\n1192\n00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:19,360\neven concrete. You'll see people putting\n \n\n1193\n00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,669\neven concrete. You'll see people putting\nin concrete aprons.\n\n1194\n00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:21,679\nin concrete aprons.\n \n\n1195\n00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:25,590\nin concrete aprons.\nAnd it has been fairly um\n\n1196\n00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:25,600\nAnd it has been fairly um\n \n\n1197\n00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,190\nAnd it has been fairly um\nsuccessful for us. Uh, let me turn off\n\n1198\n00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:29,200\nsuccessful for us. Uh, let me turn off\n \n\n1199\n00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,470\nsuccessful for us. Uh, let me turn off\nmy phone. The\n\n1200\n00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:32,480\nmy phone. The\n \n\n1201\n00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,669\nmy phone. The\nlet's look at what zone zero can look\n\n1202\n00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:35,679\nlet's look at what zone zero can look\n \n\n1203\n00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:39,029\nlet's look at what zone zero can look\nlike.\n\n1204\n00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:39,039\n\n \n\n1205\n00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:41,909\n\nAll right. Well, this home was clearly\n\n1206\n00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:41,919\nAll right. Well, this home was clearly\n \n\n1207\n00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:43,510\nAll right. Well, this home was clearly\nsaved\n\n1208\n00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:43,520\nsaved\n \n\n1209\n00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,990\nsaved\nfrom the Witch Creek fire by zone zero.\n\n1210\n00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:46,000\nfrom the Witch Creek fire by zone zero.\n \n\n1211\n00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,870\nfrom the Witch Creek fire by zone zero.\nIn this case, the concrete apron.\n\n1212\n00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:48,880\nIn this case, the concrete apron.\n \n\n1213\n00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,549\nIn this case, the concrete apron.\nUm,\n\n1214\n00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:50,559\nUm,\n \n\n1215\n00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:54,149\nUm,\nthe shade structure is metal.\n\n1216\n00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:54,159\nthe shade structure is metal.\n \n\n1217\n00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:57,430\nthe shade structure is metal.\nUh, this was a hot fire, guys. What\n\n1218\n00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:57,440\nUh, this was a hot fire, guys. What\n \n\n1219\n00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,830\nUh, this was a hot fire, guys. What\nyou're looking at was their back lawn.\n\n1220\n00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:59,840\nyou're looking at was their back lawn.\n \n\n1221\n00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,510\nyou're looking at was their back lawn.\nThe back lawn actually burned.\n\n1222\n00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:03,520\nThe back lawn actually burned.\n \n\n1223\n00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,269\nThe back lawn actually burned.\nAnd then if you look on the hillside in\n\n1224\n00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:05,279\nAnd then if you look on the hillside in\n \n\n1225\n00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,029\nAnd then if you look on the hillside in\nthe background there, you see a silver\n\n1226\n00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:07,039\nthe background there, you see a silver\n \n\n1227\n00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,310\nthe background there, you see a silver\nstreak. That was actually a metal water\n\n1228\n00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:10,320\nstreak. That was actually a metal water\n \n\n1229\n00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,470\nstreak. That was actually a metal water\ntank.\n\n1230\n00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:12,480\ntank.\n \n\n1231\n00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,149\ntank.\nUnfortunately, the neighbors on both\n\n1232\n00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:14,159\nUnfortunately, the neighbors on both\n \n\n1233\n00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:15,830\nUnfortunately, the neighbors on both\nside, including that one, burned to the\n\n1234\n00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:15,840\nside, including that one, burned to the\n \n\n1235\n00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,950\nside, including that one, burned to the\nground. And our client here, you can see\n\n1236\n00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:18,960\nground. And our client here, you can see\n \n\n1237\n00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,710\nground. And our client here, you can see\nthe scorch marks along the edge of the\n\n1238\n00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:20,720\nthe scorch marks along the edge of the\n \n\n1239\n00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,590\nthe scorch marks along the edge of the\napron there. And no further. There isn't\n\n1240\n00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:23,600\napron there. And no further. There isn't\n \n\n1241\n00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,430\napron there. And no further. There isn't\neven any uh scorching on the stucco.\n\n1242\n00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:27,440\neven any uh scorching on the stucco.\n \n\n1243\n00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,149\neven any uh scorching on the stucco.\nSo to me, this isn't a\n\n1244\n00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:32,159\nSo to me, this isn't a\n \n\n1245\n00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:38,149\nSo to me, this isn't a\nan example of zone zero at work.\n\n1246\n00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:38,159\n\n \n\n1247\n00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:40,549\n\nSo this is a very early one. We did this\n\n1248\n00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:40,559\nSo this is a very early one. We did this\n \n\n1249\n00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,870\nSo this is a very early one. We did this\none in 2003. It was our first attempt.\n\n1250\n00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:42,880\none in 2003. It was our first attempt.\n \n\n1251\n00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,590\none in 2003. It was our first attempt.\nThere was no guidance on this. We just\n\n1252\n00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:45,600\nThere was no guidance on this. We just\n \n\n1253\n00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,590\nThere was no guidance on this. We just\nsaid, \"Well, let's it makes sense to\n\n1254\n00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:47,600\nsaid, \"Well, let's it makes sense to\n \n\n1255\n00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,950\nsaid, \"Well, let's it makes sense to\nkeep the flames out from under the\n\n1256\n00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:48,960\nkeep the flames out from under the\n \n\n1257\n00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,110\nkeep the flames out from under the\neaves.\" So, we built this uh you know 2\n\n1258\n00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:53,120\neaves.\" So, we built this uh you know 2\n \n\n1259\n00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,350\neaves.\" So, we built this uh you know 2\nto three foot wide gravel apron around\n\n1260\n00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:55,360\nto three foot wide gravel apron around\n \n\n1261\n00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,110\nto three foot wide gravel apron around\nthe house.\n\n1262\n00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:57,120\nthe house.\n \n\n1263\n00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,950\nthe house.\nNow, if I was doing this differently, I\n\n1264\n00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:58,960\nNow, if I was doing this differently, I\n \n\n1265\n00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,149\nNow, if I was doing this differently, I\nwould just extend that all the way to\n\n1266\n00:30:00,149 --> 00:30:00,159\nwould just extend that all the way to\n \n\n1267\n00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:02,310\nwould just extend that all the way to\nthe path obviously and I probably\n\n1268\n00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:02,320\nthe path obviously and I probably\n \n\n1269\n00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,470\nthe path obviously and I probably\nwouldn't be planting manzanas so close\n\n1270\n00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:04,480\nwouldn't be planting manzanas so close\n \n\n1271\n00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,590\nwouldn't be planting manzanas so close\nto the house. But having said that, this\n\n1272\n00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:07,600\nto the house. But having said that, this\n \n\n1273\n00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,750\nto the house. But having said that, this\ncame through just fine, the Cedar Fire\n\n1274\n00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:09,760\ncame through just fine, the Cedar Fire\n \n\n1275\n00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,190\ncame through just fine, the Cedar Fire\nand the Witch Creek fire. Okay.\n\n1276\n00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:13,200\nand the Witch Creek fire. Okay.\n \n\n1277\n00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,510\nand the Witch Creek fire. Okay.\nAnd it's fine to this day. It was\n\n1278\n00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:15,520\nAnd it's fine to this day. It was\n \n\n1279\n00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,909\nAnd it's fine to this day. It was\nactually one of our study sites for the\n\n1280\n00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:17,919\nactually one of our study sites for the\n \n\n1281\n00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:23,029\nactually one of our study sites for the\nNavy research that we did.\n\n1282\n00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:23,039\n\n \n\n1283\n00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,269\n\nThis was probably our first time we ever\n\n1284\n00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:25,279\nThis was probably our first time we ever\n \n\n1285\n00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:29,590\nThis was probably our first time we ever\nimplemented a decomposed grant apron.\n\n1286\n00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:29,600\nimplemented a decomposed grant apron.\n \n\n1287\n00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,830\nimplemented a decomposed grant apron.\nThis home has been through something\n\n1288\n00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:31,840\nThis home has been through something\n \n\n1289\n00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,269\nThis home has been through something\nlike four wildland fighters fires. I\n\n1290\n00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:35,279\nlike four wildland fighters fires. I\n \n\n1291\n00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,070\nlike four wildland fighters fires. I\njust learned very recently that in the\n\n1292\n00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:38,080\njust learned very recently that in the\n \n\n1293\n00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,430\njust learned very recently that in the\n2007 Witch Creek fire, which started not\n\n1294\n00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:41,440\n2007 Witch Creek fire, which started not\n \n\n1295\n00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,510\n2007 Witch Creek fire, which started not\nfar from here,\n\n1296\n00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:43,520\nfar from here,\n \n\n1297\n00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,510\nfar from here,\nthe opposite side of the house, the back\n\n1298\n00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:45,520\nthe opposite side of the house, the back\n \n\n1299\n00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,710\nthe opposite side of the house, the back\ncorner did get some damage and the\n\n1300\n00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:48,720\ncorner did get some damage and the\n \n\n1301\n00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,350\ncorner did get some damage and the\nkitchen got kind of smoked out and had\n\n1302\n00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:51,360\nkitchen got kind of smoked out and had\n \n\n1303\n00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,870\nkitchen got kind of smoked out and had\nto be redone. Um, but the house itself\n\n1304\n00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:54,880\nto be redone. Um, but the house itself\n \n\n1305\n00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,350\nto be redone. Um, but the house itself\nsurvived. But was interesting is on that\n\n1306\n00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:57,360\nsurvived. But was interesting is on that\n \n\n1307\n00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,950\nsurvived. But was interesting is on that\nside of the house, we hadn't done any\n\n1308\n00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:58,960\nside of the house, we hadn't done any\n \n\n1309\n00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,029\nside of the house, we hadn't done any\nlandscaping.\n\n1310\n00:31:01,029 --> 00:31:01,039\nlandscaping.\n \n\n1311\n00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,710\nlandscaping.\nSo, um, there wasn't any blocking\n\n1312\n00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:04,720\nSo, um, there wasn't any blocking\n \n\n1313\n00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,029\nSo, um, there wasn't any blocking\nvegetation there. It was actually where\n\n1314\n00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:07,039\nvegetation there. It was actually where\n \n\n1315\n00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,789\nvegetation there. It was actually where\ntheir laundry area was, where they hang\n\n1316\n00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:08,799\ntheir laundry area was, where they hang\n \n\n1317\n00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,830\ntheir laundry area was, where they hang\ntheir laundry, so it didn't get touched.\n\n1318\n00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:11,840\ntheir laundry, so it didn't get touched.\n \n\n1319\n00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,750\ntheir laundry, so it didn't get touched.\nAnd that's where it came in, which is\n\n1320\n00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:13,760\nAnd that's where it came in, which is\n \n\n1321\n00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,950\nAnd that's where it came in, which is\nkind of interesting. So, here, you know,\n\n1322\n00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:16,960\nkind of interesting. So, here, you know,\n \n\n1323\n00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,990\nkind of interesting. So, here, you know,\nit shows you this that the zone zeros\n\n1324\n00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:20,000\nit shows you this that the zone zeros\n \n\n1325\n00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,149\nit shows you this that the zone zeros\nare not necessarily unattractive. I\n\n1326\n00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:22,159\nare not necessarily unattractive. I\n \n\n1327\n00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:24,389\nare not necessarily unattractive. I\nthink this gives a really kind of cool\n\n1328\n00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:24,399\nthink this gives a really kind of cool\n \n\n1329\n00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,870\nthink this gives a really kind of cool\nalmost old western look to it. You can\n\n1330\n00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:26,880\nalmost old western look to it. You can\n \n\n1331\n00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,789\nalmost old western look to it. You can\nsee the native plantings. They're lower\n\n1332\n00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:28,799\nsee the native plantings. They're lower\n \n\n1333\n00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,950\nsee the native plantings. They're lower\ngrowing. They're well spaced. They're\n\n1334\n00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:30,960\ngrowing. They're well spaced. They're\n \n\n1335\n00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,029\ngrowing. They're well spaced. They're\nirrigated. There's uh uh trails and\n\n1336\n00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:35,039\nirrigated. There's uh uh trails and\n \n\n1337\n00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,950\nirrigated. There's uh uh trails and\nhardscape, you know, the dry stream bed\n\n1338\n00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:36,960\nhardscape, you know, the dry stream bed\n \n\n1339\n00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,310\nhardscape, you know, the dry stream bed\nand that. And like I say, it sur it has\n\n1340\n00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:40,320\nand that. And like I say, it sur it has\n \n\n1341\n00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,630\nand that. And like I say, it sur it has\nsurvived with some damage in one of the\n\n1342\n00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:42,640\nsurvived with some damage in one of the\n \n\n1343\n00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,230\nsurvived with some damage in one of the\nevents,\n\n1344\n00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:44,240\nevents,\n \n\n1345\n00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,230\nevents,\nuh but basically still standing.\n\n1346\n00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:48,240\nuh but basically still standing.\n \n\n1347\n00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,389\nuh but basically still standing.\nAnd this is a fairly modern installation\n\n1348\n00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:50,399\nAnd this is a fairly modern installation\n \n\n1349\n00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:53,190\nAnd this is a fairly modern installation\na few years ago. This is an Harvesting\n\n1350\n00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:53,200\na few years ago. This is an Harvesting\n \n\n1351\n00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,389\na few years ago. This is an Harvesting\nCanyon, which is just full of gorgeous\n\n1352\n00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:56,399\nCanyon, which is just full of gorgeous\n \n\n1353\n00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:57,990\nCanyon, which is just full of gorgeous\nchaperel all the way around this\n\n1354\n00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:58,000\nchaperel all the way around this\n \n\n1355\n00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,710\nchaperel all the way around this\nproperty. And again, not unattractive.\n\n1356\n00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:00,720\nproperty. And again, not unattractive.\n \n\n1357\n00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,870\nproperty. And again, not unattractive.\nThe tree was pre-existing, so we just\n\n1358\n00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:02,880\nThe tree was pre-existing, so we just\n \n\n1359\n00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,190\nThe tree was pre-existing, so we just\ncut it away from the house. Uh, the\n\n1360\n00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:07,200\ncut it away from the house. Uh, the\n \n\n1361\n00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,269\ncut it away from the house. Uh, the\nsiding is Hardy board, which is a\n\n1362\n00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:09,279\nsiding is Hardy board, which is a\n \n\n1363\n00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:11,590\nsiding is Hardy board, which is a\nconcrete product. Again, your double\n\n1364\n00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:11,600\nconcrete product. Again, your double\n \n\n1365\n00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,070\nconcrete product. Again, your double\npane metal frame windows, boxed in\n\n1366\n00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:14,080\npane metal frame windows, boxed in\n \n\n1367\n00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,190\npane metal frame windows, boxed in\neaves, vertical venting that's screened\n\n1368\n00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:17,200\neaves, vertical venting that's screened\n \n\n1369\n00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,950\neaves, vertical venting that's screened\nover, uh, good roofing.\n\n1370\n00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:20,960\nover, uh, good roofing.\n \n\n1371\n00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,470\nover, uh, good roofing.\nSo, that's what it looks like.\n\n1372\n00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:24,480\nSo, that's what it looks like.\n \n\n1373\n00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,669\nSo, that's what it looks like.\nHere's a retrofit that we did. Um, this\n\n1374\n00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:27,679\nHere's a retrofit that we did. Um, this\n \n\n1375\n00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:31,269\nHere's a retrofit that we did. Um, this\nis in near me in Escanido and we put\n\n1376\n00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:31,279\nis in near me in Escanido and we put\n \n\n1377\n00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,350\nis in near me in Escanido and we put\ndown the DG apron. We actually didn't\n\n1378\n00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:33,360\ndown the DG apron. We actually didn't\n \n\n1379\n00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,830\ndown the DG apron. We actually didn't\nend up removing any vegetation. I hadn't\n\n1380\n00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:35,840\nend up removing any vegetation. I hadn't\n \n\n1381\n00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,549\nend up removing any vegetation. I hadn't\nplanted that close to the house, but I\n\n1382\n00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:38,559\nplanted that close to the house, but I\n \n\n1383\n00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,710\nplanted that close to the house, but I\ncan tell you if it for any reason fails\n\n1384\n00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:40,720\ncan tell you if it for any reason fails\n \n\n1385\n00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,549\ncan tell you if it for any reason fails\na fire\n\n1386\n00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:42,559\na fire\n \n\n1387\n00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,190\na fire\nuh inspection, we can just easily cut\n\n1388\n00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:45,200\nuh inspection, we can just easily cut\n \n\n1389\n00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,230\nuh inspection, we can just easily cut\nthis vegetation back. To be really\n\n1390\n00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:48,240\nthis vegetation back. To be really\n \n\n1391\n00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,149\nthis vegetation back. To be really\nhonest with you guys, I'm not seeing\n\n1392\n00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:50,159\nhonest with you guys, I'm not seeing\n \n\n1393\n00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,470\nhonest with you guys, I'm not seeing\nevidence of\n\n1394\n00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:52,480\nevidence of\n \n\n1395\n00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,190\nevidence of\nvegetation\n\n1396\n00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:55,200\nvegetation\n \n\n1397\n00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,389\nvegetation\nlike perennials or small subshrubs under\n\n1398\n00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:58,399\nlike perennials or small subshrubs under\n \n\n1399\n00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:01,909\nlike perennials or small subshrubs under\nsay 18 24 in really developing enough\n\n1400\n00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:01,919\nsay 18 24 in really developing enough\n \n\n1401\n00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:06,310\nsay 18 24 in really developing enough\nflame height to burn up the eaves. And\n\n1402\n00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:06,320\nflame height to burn up the eaves. And\n \n\n1403\n00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,230\nflame height to burn up the eaves. And\num so you know we left it like this so\n\n1404\n00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:08,240\num so you know we left it like this so\n \n\n1405\n00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,070\num so you know we left it like this so\nwe didn't you know didn't look funky.\n\n1406\n00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:10,080\nwe didn't you know didn't look funky.\n \n\n1407\n00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,110\nwe didn't you know didn't look funky.\nBut uh uh yeah that's that's an example\n\n1408\n00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:13,120\nBut uh uh yeah that's that's an example\n \n\n1409\n00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,230\nBut uh uh yeah that's that's an example\nof a retrofit.\n\n1410\n00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:16,240\nof a retrofit.\n \n\n1411\n00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,789\nof a retrofit.\nNow we move sorry we move move out to\n\n1412\n00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:18,799\nNow we move sorry we move move out to\n \n\n1413\n00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,470\nNow we move sorry we move move out to\nzone one or A. So this is really\n\n1414\n00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:22,480\nzone one or A. So this is really\n \n\n1415\n00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,310\nzone one or A. So this is really\ncritical defensible space along zone\n\n1416\n00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:26,320\ncritical defensible space along zone\n \n\n1417\n00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,470\ncritical defensible space along zone\nzero. So firemen actually make very\n\n1418\n00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:28,480\nzero. So firemen actually make very\n \n\n1419\n00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,110\nzero. So firemen actually make very\nconscious decisions when they come into\n\n1420\n00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:31,120\nconscious decisions when they come into\n \n\n1421\n00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,070\nconscious decisions when they come into\na neighborhood in front of a fire and\n\n1422\n00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:34,080\na neighborhood in front of a fire and\n \n\n1423\n00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,669\na neighborhood in front of a fire and\nthey say I can defend that home. I\n\n1424\n00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:37,679\nthey say I can defend that home. I\n \n\n1425\n00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:40,710\nthey say I can defend that home. I\ncannot defend that home\n\n1426\n00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:40,720\ncannot defend that home\n \n\n1427\n00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,909\ncannot defend that home\nbecause they don't particularly want to\n\n1428\n00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:43,919\nbecause they don't particularly want to\n \n\n1429\n00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:45,590\nbecause they don't particularly want to\ndie\n\n1430\n00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:45,600\ndie\n \n\n1431\n00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,549\ndie\nsaving your possessions. Okay. So, we\n\n1432\n00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:48,559\nsaving your possessions. Okay. So, we\n \n\n1433\n00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,549\nsaving your possessions. Okay. So, we\ngot to give them a place to get in there\n\n1434\n00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:50,559\ngot to give them a place to get in there\n \n\n1435\n00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,269\ngot to give them a place to get in there\nand access as much as anything and fight\n\n1436\n00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:53,279\nand access as much as anything and fight\n \n\n1437\n00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,110\nand access as much as anything and fight\nthe fire.\n\n1438\n00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:55,120\nthe fire.\n \n\n1439\n00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:02,070\nthe fire.\nAnd um\n\n1440\n00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:02,080\n\n \n\n1441\n00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,950\n\nthe the the homes that they have to do\n\n1442\n00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:04,960\nthe the the homes that they have to do\n \n\n1443\n00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,750\nthe the the homes that they have to do\nthis sort of uh Sophie's choice on um\n\n1444\n00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:09,760\nthis sort of uh Sophie's choice on um\n \n\n1445\n00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,190\nthis sort of uh Sophie's choice on um\nsometimes they make it, sometimes they\n\n1446\n00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:11,200\nsometimes they make it, sometimes they\n \n\n1447\n00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,950\nsometimes they make it, sometimes they\nnot. Sometimes they can fight the fire\n\n1448\n00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:12,960\nnot. Sometimes they can fight the fire\n \n\n1449\n00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,030\nnot. Sometimes they can fight the fire\nfrom the neighbors\n\n1450\n00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:15,040\nfrom the neighbors\n \n\n1451\n00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,149\nfrom the neighbors\nwhere there is some access and they can\n\n1452\n00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:18,159\nwhere there is some access and they can\n \n\n1453\n00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:23,589\nwhere there is some access and they can\nfight the fire from that location. So,\n\n1454\n00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:23,599\n\n \n\n1455\n00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,750\n\nI would not want to be in this house\n\n1456\n00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:27,760\nI would not want to be in this house\n \n\n1457\n00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,349\nI would not want to be in this house\nin a Santa Ana driven fire.\n\n1458\n00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:33,359\nin a Santa Ana driven fire.\n \n\n1459\n00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:35,669\nin a Santa Ana driven fire.\nThis thing, this is what insurance\n\n1460\n00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:35,679\nThis thing, this is what insurance\n \n\n1461\n00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,669\nThis thing, this is what insurance\ncompanies are pretty much advocating.\n\n1462\n00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:37,679\ncompanies are pretty much advocating.\n \n\n1463\n00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,470\ncompanies are pretty much advocating.\nThey love this, right?\n\n1464\n00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:40,480\nThey love this, right?\n \n\n1465\n00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,950\nThey love this, right?\nIt's a sitting duck, guys. It is\n\n1466\n00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:42,960\nIt's a sitting duck, guys. It is\n \n\n1467\n00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,750\nIt's a sitting duck, guys. It is\ncompletely exposed.\n\n1468\n00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:45,760\ncompletely exposed.\n \n\n1469\n00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,710\ncompletely exposed.\nAll right. The fact that it may be bare\n\n1470\n00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:48,720\nAll right. The fact that it may be bare\n \n\n1471\n00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:51,909\nAll right. The fact that it may be bare\nground, more likely weeds, by the time\n\n1472\n00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:51,919\nground, more likely weeds, by the time\n \n\n1473\n00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:54,790\nground, more likely weeds, by the time\nfire season rolls around is not a\n\n1474\n00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:54,800\nfire season rolls around is not a\n \n\n1475\n00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,829\nfire season rolls around is not a\nprotection. Remember,\n\n1476\n00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:57,839\nprotection. Remember,\n \n\n1477\n00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:00,150\nprotection. Remember,\nthese these embers can blow in from over\n\n1478\n00:35:00,150 --> 00:35:00,160\nthese these embers can blow in from over\n \n\n1479\n00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,349\nthese these embers can blow in from over\na mile away. I mean, they cross major\n\n1480\n00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:03,359\na mile away. I mean, they cross major\n \n\n1481\n00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:06,390\na mile away. I mean, they cross major\nfreeway interchanges for God's sakes.\n\n1482\n00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:06,400\nfreeway interchanges for God's sakes.\n \n\n1483\n00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,510\nfreeway interchanges for God's sakes.\nOkay, so this is not\n\n1484\n00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:11,520\nOkay, so this is not\n \n\n1485\n00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,950\nOkay, so this is not\neffective at all. In fact, it massively\n\n1486\n00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:14,960\neffective at all. In fact, it massively\n \n\n1487\n00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,349\neffective at all. In fact, it massively\nincreases the vulnerability. It's\n\n1488\n00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:17,359\nincreases the vulnerability. It's\n \n\n1489\n00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:19,270\nincreases the vulnerability. It's\ndestroyed all that habitat. It's going\n\n1490\n00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:19,280\ndestroyed all that habitat. It's going\n \n\n1491\n00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,069\ndestroyed all that habitat. It's going\nto come back in grasses, mustard, and\n\n1492\n00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:22,079\nto come back in grasses, mustard, and\n \n\n1493\n00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,510\nto come back in grasses, mustard, and\nweeds. Going to look like hell,\n\n1494\n00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:25,520\nweeds. Going to look like hell,\n \n\n1495\n00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,349\nweeds. Going to look like hell,\nand the house is going to be completely\n\n1496\n00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:27,359\nand the house is going to be completely\n \n\n1497\n00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:30,390\nand the house is going to be completely\nvulnerable.\n\n1498\n00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:30,400\n\n \n\n1499\n00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,670\n\nThis house went through fire. Um,\n\n1500\n00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:33,680\nThis house went through fire. Um,\n \n\n1501\n00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,829\nThis house went through fire. Um,\nit was a Santa Fe structure, so it just\n\n1502\n00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:35,839\nit was a Santa Fe structure, so it just\n \n\n1503\n00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:38,310\nit was a Santa Fe structure, so it just\nscream for kind of a desert landscape. A\n\n1504\n00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:38,320\nscream for kind of a desert landscape. A\n \n\n1505\n00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,950\nscream for kind of a desert landscape. A\nlot of hardcape. In this case, gravel is\n\n1506\n00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:40,960\nlot of hardcape. In this case, gravel is\n \n\n1507\n00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,910\nlot of hardcape. In this case, gravel is\nour mulch because that's what deserts\n\n1508\n00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:43,920\nour mulch because that's what deserts\n \n\n1509\n00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,829\nour mulch because that's what deserts\nreally prefer\n\n1510\n00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:45,839\nreally prefer\n \n\n1511\n00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:49,270\nreally prefer\nand not a lot of exposed, you know,\n\n1512\n00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:49,280\nand not a lot of exposed, you know,\n \n\n1513\n00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,230\nand not a lot of exposed, you know,\neaves or timber and just fine.\n\n1514\n00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:54,240\neaves or timber and just fine.\n \n\n1515\n00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,710\neaves or timber and just fine.\nSo, this is an important concept in zone\n\n1516\n00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:56,720\nSo, this is an important concept in zone\n \n\n1517\n00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,230\nSo, this is an important concept in zone\none. All right. most here flames. Most\n\n1518\n00:36:00,230 --> 00:36:00,240\none. All right. most here flames. Most\n \n\n1519\n00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,470\none. All right. most here flames. Most\nof most of the um uh the firefront is\n\n1520\n00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:04,480\nof most of the um uh the firefront is\n \n\n1521\n00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,510\nof most of the um uh the firefront is\nbeing moved by spot fires, you know,\n\n1522\n00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:07,520\nbeing moved by spot fires, you know,\n \n\n1523\n00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,589\nbeing moved by spot fires, you know,\nfrom embers, unfortunately, from burning\n\n1524\n00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:09,599\nfrom embers, unfortunately, from burning\n \n\n1525\n00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:14,550\nfrom embers, unfortunately, from burning\nanimals. I hate to say it. Um\n\n1526\n00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:14,560\nanimals. I hate to say it. Um\n \n\n1527\n00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,349\nanimals. I hate to say it. Um\nand that's\n\n1528\n00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:17,359\nand that's\n \n\n1529\n00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:20,230\nand that's\nwhat you want to be on top of, you know,\n\n1530\n00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:20,240\nwhat you want to be on top of, you know,\n \n\n1531\n00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,349\nwhat you want to be on top of, you know,\nas the fire is approaching. Okay? And\n\n1532\n00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:23,359\nas the fire is approaching. Okay? And\n \n\n1533\n00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:25,589\nas the fire is approaching. Okay? And\none of the main things you can do has to\n\n1534\n00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:25,599\none of the main things you can do has to\n \n\n1535\n00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,470\none of the main things you can do has to\ndo with wood fences.\n\n1536\n00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:28,480\ndo with wood fences.\n \n\n1537\n00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,349\ndo with wood fences.\nThis is what wood fences do in fires,\n\n1538\n00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:31,359\nThis is what wood fences do in fires,\n \n\n1539\n00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:35,430\nThis is what wood fences do in fires,\nokay? They burn high and they burn hot.\n\n1540\n00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:35,440\nokay? They burn high and they burn hot.\n \n\n1541\n00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,550\nokay? They burn high and they burn hot.\nUm, so, you know, remove your piles of\n\n1542\n00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:38,560\nUm, so, you know, remove your piles of\n \n\n1543\n00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,670\nUm, so, you know, remove your piles of\nwood and debris from directly around the\n\n1544\n00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:41,680\nwood and debris from directly around the\n \n\n1545\n00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,550\nwood and debris from directly around the\nhouse, okay? Your your your firewood,\n\n1546\n00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:46,560\nhouse, okay? Your your your firewood,\n \n\n1547\n00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,910\nhouse, okay? Your your your firewood,\nget it away from there. Your wood sheds,\n\n1548\n00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:49,920\nget it away from there. Your wood sheds,\n \n\n1549\n00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,550\nget it away from there. Your wood sheds,\nget them away from there.\n\n1550\n00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:52,560\nget them away from there.\n \n\n1551\n00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,069\nget them away from there.\nUm\n\n1552\n00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:54,079\nUm\n \n\n1553\n00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,109\nUm\nthe wooden fences can ignite and wick\n\n1554\n00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:57,119\nthe wooden fences can ignite and wick\n \n\n1555\n00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,990\nthe wooden fences can ignite and wick\nthose flames right to a home.\n\n1556\n00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:00,000\nthose flames right to a home.\n \n\n1557\n00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,630\nthose flames right to a home.\nAnd so your best option at least where\n\n1558\n00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:02,640\nAnd so your best option at least where\n \n\n1559\n00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,150\nAnd so your best option at least where\nthe fence turns in to where the side of\n\n1560\n00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:06,160\nthe fence turns in to where the side of\n \n\n1561\n00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,589\nthe fence turns in to where the side of\nthe house or the garage is and you have\n\n1562\n00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:07,599\nthe house or the garage is and you have\n \n\n1563\n00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,670\nthe house or the garage is and you have\nyour gates there\n\n1564\n00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:09,680\nyour gates there\n \n\n1565\n00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,829\nyour gates there\nis do something non-metallic. I mean\n\n1566\n00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:11,839\nis do something non-metallic. I mean\n \n\n1567\n00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:14,470\nis do something non-metallic. I mean\nsomething nonflammable, right? They've\n\n1568\n00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:14,480\nsomething nonflammable, right? They've\n \n\n1569\n00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,310\nsomething nonflammable, right? They've\neven got these pretty cool pre-cast\n\n1570\n00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:16,320\neven got these pretty cool pre-cast\n \n\n1571\n00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,230\neven got these pretty cool pre-cast\nconcrete panels now. And on the right,\n\n1572\n00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:18,240\nconcrete panels now. And on the right,\n \n\n1573\n00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,670\nconcrete panels now. And on the right,\nyou can see that that one definitely\n\n1574\n00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:21,680\nyou can see that that one definitely\n \n\n1575\n00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,910\nyou can see that that one definitely\nsurvived a fire next to the wooden fence\n\n1576\n00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:23,920\nsurvived a fire next to the wooden fence\n \n\n1577\n00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,790\nsurvived a fire next to the wooden fence\nthat burned. So, you know, this is a\n\n1578\n00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:26,800\nthat burned. So, you know, this is a\n \n\n1579\n00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,950\nthat burned. So, you know, this is a\nreally good potential option here in\n\n1580\n00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:28,960\nreally good potential option here in\n \n\n1581\n00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,670\nreally good potential option here in\nthese fireprone areas. And they're\n\n1582\n00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:31,680\nthese fireprone areas. And they're\n \n\n1583\n00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,990\nthese fireprone areas. And they're\nthey're attractive and they're available\n\n1584\n00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:34,000\nthey're attractive and they're available\n \n\n1585\n00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,990\nthey're attractive and they're available\nin all kinds of patterns and shapes and\n\n1586\n00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:36,000\nin all kinds of patterns and shapes and\n \n\n1587\n00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,030\nin all kinds of patterns and shapes and\ncolors and stuff. So, that's one option.\n\n1588\n00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:39,040\ncolors and stuff. So, that's one option.\n \n\n1589\n00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,910\ncolors and stuff. So, that's one option.\nHardy board uh slat fences, plank fences\n\n1590\n00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:43,920\nHardy board uh slat fences, plank fences\n \n\n1591\n00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,670\nHardy board uh slat fences, plank fences\nare another.\n\n1592\n00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:45,680\nare another.\n \n\n1593\n00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,550\nare another.\num use metal posts, not wooden posts.\n\n1594\n00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:50,560\num use metal posts, not wooden posts.\n \n\n1595\n00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,790\num use metal posts, not wooden posts.\nAnd uh you know, be creative.\n\n1596\n00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:54,800\nAnd uh you know, be creative.\n \n\n1597\n00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,349\nAnd uh you know, be creative.\nAlso, in zone one, that's typically\n\n1598\n00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:57,359\nAlso, in zone one, that's typically\n \n\n1599\n00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,109\nAlso, in zone one, that's typically\nwhere we have our permanently irrigated\n\n1600\n00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:59,119\nwhere we have our permanently irrigated\n \n\n1601\n00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:00,710\nwhere we have our permanently irrigated\nplantings. And it can be completely\n\n1602\n00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:00,720\nplantings. And it can be completely\n \n\n1603\n00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,750\nplantings. And it can be completely\nnative, just like in this example.\n\n1604\n00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:03,760\nnative, just like in this example.\n \n\n1605\n00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,109\nnative, just like in this example.\nUm that's actually a what we call a\n\n1606\n00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:07,119\nUm that's actually a what we call a\n \n\n1607\n00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,750\nUm that's actually a what we call a\nnative lawn. It's actually a substitute\n\n1608\n00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:09,760\nnative lawn. It's actually a substitute\n \n\n1609\n00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,589\nnative lawn. It's actually a substitute\nusing a sedge called Carrick Perasillus.\n\n1610\n00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:13,599\nusing a sedge called Carrick Perasillus.\n \n\n1611\n00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,069\nusing a sedge called Carrick Perasillus.\nAnd this is in La Hoya, which is a very\n\n1612\n00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:16,079\nAnd this is in La Hoya, which is a very\n \n\n1613\n00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,829\nAnd this is in La Hoya, which is a very\nritzy community down here. And I came\n\n1614\n00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:17,839\nritzy community down here. And I came\n \n\n1615\n00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:20,390\nritzy community down here. And I came\nback expecting to see this beautifully\n\n1616\n00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:20,400\nback expecting to see this beautifully\n \n\n1617\n00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,750\nback expecting to see this beautifully\nmanicured sedge lawn. And\n\n1618\n00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:23,760\nmanicured sedge lawn. And\n \n\n1619\n00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,150\nmanicured sedge lawn. And\nthis is what confronted me. And I talked\n\n1620\n00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:26,160\nthis is what confronted me. And I talked\n \n\n1621\n00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,670\nthis is what confronted me. And I talked\nto the homeowner. I said, \"We liked it.\n\n1622\n00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:27,680\nto the homeowner. I said, \"We liked it.\n \n\n1623\n00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,990\nto the homeowner. I said, \"We liked it.\nWe love this look. We love this hummicky\n\n1624\n00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:30,000\nWe love this look. We love this hummicky\n \n\n1625\n00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,750\nWe love this look. We love this hummicky\nmeadowy look.\" So we just left it the\n\n1626\n00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:31,760\nmeadowy look.\" So we just left it the\n \n\n1627\n00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,349\nmeadowy look.\" So we just left it the\nway it was. We're happy with it. I think\n\n1628\n00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:33,359\nway it was. We're happy with it. I think\n \n\n1629\n00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:37,349\nway it was. We're happy with it. I think\ngreat. And the the the landscape itself\n\n1630\n00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:37,359\ngreat. And the the the landscape itself\n \n\n1631\n00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:40,870\ngreat. And the the the landscape itself\nis also native, but it is irrigated\n\n1632\n00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:40,880\nis also native, but it is irrigated\n \n\n1633\n00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,349\nis also native, but it is irrigated\nabout once every\n\n1634\n00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:43,359\nabout once every\n \n\n1635\n00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:45,589\nabout once every\nseven to 10 days in summer with very\n\n1636\n00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:45,599\nseven to 10 days in summer with very\n \n\n1637\n00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,829\nseven to 10 days in summer with very\nlight overhead irrigation to keep it all\n\n1638\n00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:47,839\nlight overhead irrigation to keep it all\n \n\n1639\n00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:50,310\nlight overhead irrigation to keep it all\nhydrated.\n\n1640\n00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:50,320\nhydrated.\n \n\n1641\n00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,990\nhydrated.\nBy the way, you can actually mow these\n\n1642\n00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:52,000\nBy the way, you can actually mow these\n \n\n1643\n00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,910\nBy the way, you can actually mow these\nSGE lawnons, too. They mow just fine.\n\n1644\n00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:53,920\nSGE lawnons, too. They mow just fine.\n \n\n1645\n00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,790\nSGE lawnons, too. They mow just fine.\nThey even smell like uh\n\n1646\n00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:56,800\nThey even smell like uh\n \n\n1647\n00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,030\nThey even smell like uh\nfreshly cut lawn, but they take half the\n\n1648\n00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:59,040\nfreshly cut lawn, but they take half the\n \n\n1649\n00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,390\nfreshly cut lawn, but they take half the\nwater and less than half the mowing of a\n\n1650\n00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:02,400\nwater and less than half the mowing of a\n \n\n1651\n00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,349\nwater and less than half the mowing of a\nconventional lawn.\n\n1652\n00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:05,359\nconventional lawn.\n \n\n1653\n00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:07,510\nconventional lawn.\nOkay, now we're getting out into zone 2\n\n1654\n00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:07,520\nOkay, now we're getting out into zone 2\n \n\n1655\n00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,030\nOkay, now we're getting out into zone 2\nor B, uh, which is beyond this, uh, yard\n\n1656\n00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:13,040\nor B, uh, which is beyond this, uh, yard\n \n\n1657\n00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,589\nor B, uh, which is beyond this, uh, yard\nplantings and extends often into the\n\n1658\n00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:15,599\nplantings and extends often into the\n \n\n1659\n00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,190\nplantings and extends often into the\nwildlands.\n\n1660\n00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:17,200\nwildlands.\n \n\n1661\n00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,750\nwildlands.\nAnd there's a couple different, uh,\n\n1662\n00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:19,760\nAnd there's a couple different, uh,\n \n\n1663\n00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,349\nAnd there's a couple different, uh,\nscenarios out there. Um, one may be uh\n\n1664\n00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:25,359\nscenarios out there. Um, one may be uh\n \n\n1665\n00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:28,950\nscenarios out there. Um, one may be uh\nmodified existing natural vegetation or\n\n1666\n00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:28,960\nmodified existing natural vegetation or\n \n\n1667\n00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,790\nmodified existing natural vegetation or\nif they've gone and bulldozed all this\n\n1668\n00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:30,800\nif they've gone and bulldozed all this\n \n\n1669\n00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,670\nif they've gone and bulldozed all this\nstuff already, I you know, it's a good\n\n1670\n00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:33,680\nstuff already, I you know, it's a good\n \n\n1671\n00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,310\nstuff already, I you know, it's a good\noption to be doing lightly irrigated\n\n1672\n00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:36,320\noption to be doing lightly irrigated\n \n\n1673\n00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,230\noption to be doing lightly irrigated\nnative plantings in those zones for a\n\n1674\n00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:38,240\nnative plantings in those zones for a\n \n\n1675\n00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,990\nnative plantings in those zones for a\nlot of reasons. So, here's managing\n\n1676\n00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:42,000\nlot of reasons. So, here's managing\n \n\n1677\n00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,069\nlot of reasons. So, here's managing\nexisting native vegetation if you have\n\n1678\n00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:44,079\nexisting native vegetation if you have\n \n\n1679\n00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,310\nexisting native vegetation if you have\nit. So, you want to remove your\n\n1680\n00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:46,320\nit. So, you want to remove your\n \n\n1681\n00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,510\nit. So, you want to remove your\nnon-native weeds and your dead limbs. We\n\n1682\n00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:49,520\nnon-native weeds and your dead limbs. We\n \n\n1683\n00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,470\nnon-native weeds and your dead limbs. We\ncall it sight hygiene. That is critical.\n\n1684\n00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:52,480\ncall it sight hygiene. That is critical.\n \n\n1685\n00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,190\ncall it sight hygiene. That is critical.\nThis is what gets replaced when you\n\n1686\n00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:55,200\nThis is what gets replaced when you\n \n\n1687\n00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,349\nThis is what gets replaced when you\ndisturb these sites and remove all the\n\n1688\n00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:57,359\ndisturb these sites and remove all the\n \n\n1689\n00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:59,190\ndisturb these sites and remove all the\nchaperel.\n\n1690\n00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:59,200\nchaperel.\n \n\n1691\n00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,510\nchaperel.\nAnd this stuff is ready to burn every\n\n1692\n00:40:01,510 --> 00:40:01,520\nAnd this stuff is ready to burn every\n \n\n1693\n00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,829\nAnd this stuff is ready to burn every\nAugust. And it is disgusting. It is\n\n1694\n00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:05,839\nAugust. And it is disgusting. It is\n \n\n1695\n00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:09,349\nAugust. And it is disgusting. It is\ndesertifying. It's just no habitat, you\n\n1696\n00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:09,359\ndesertifying. It's just no habitat, you\n \n\n1697\n00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:10,630\ndesertifying. It's just no habitat, you\nknow. But they think, a lot of people\n\n1698\n00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:10,640\nknow. But they think, a lot of people\n \n\n1699\n00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,910\nknow. But they think, a lot of people\nactually think this is what a native\n\n1700\n00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:11,920\nactually think this is what a native\n \n\n1701\n00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,390\nactually think this is what a native\nlandscape is.\n\n1702\n00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:14,400\nlandscape is.\n \n\n1703\n00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,589\nlandscape is.\nWell, here's a site that survived this\n\n1704\n00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:17,599\nWell, here's a site that survived this\n \n\n1705\n00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,950\nWell, here's a site that survived this\nthat that was cleared or cleaned. Sorry,\n\n1706\n00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:20,960\nthat that was cleared or cleaned. Sorry,\n \n\n1707\n00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,349\nthat that was cleared or cleaned. Sorry,\nnot clear. I hate that word. It was\n\n1708\n00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:23,359\nnot clear. I hate that word. It was\n \n\n1709\n00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:27,510\nnot clear. I hate that word. It was\ncleaned prior to the cedar fire. Uh, all\n\n1710\n00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:27,520\ncleaned prior to the cedar fire. Uh, all\n \n\n1711\n00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,750\ncleaned prior to the cedar fire. Uh, all\nthe weeds were controlled and taken out\n\n1712\n00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:29,760\nthe weeds were controlled and taken out\n \n\n1713\n00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,230\nthe weeds were controlled and taken out\nof there. The only thing that smoldered\n\n1714\n00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:32,240\nof there. The only thing that smoldered\n \n\n1715\n00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,109\nof there. The only thing that smoldered\nwas that natural duff layer, which by\n\n1716\n00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:35,119\nwas that natural duff layer, which by\n \n\n1717\n00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,829\nwas that natural duff layer, which by\nthe way is what the redwood emulates in\n\n1718\n00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:37,839\nthe way is what the redwood emulates in\n \n\n1719\n00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,470\nthe way is what the redwood emulates in\na consolidated condition.\n\n1720\n00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:40,480\na consolidated condition.\n \n\n1721\n00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,870\na consolidated condition.\nThis mission manzanita was completely\n\n1722\n00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:42,880\nThis mission manzanita was completely\n \n\n1723\n00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,270\nThis mission manzanita was completely\nhealthy, completely happy, hydrated,\n\n1724\n00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:45,280\nhealthy, completely happy, hydrated,\n \n\n1725\n00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,349\nhealthy, completely happy, hydrated,\nlooked great. Didn't look like any fire\n\n1726\n00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:47,359\nlooked great. Didn't look like any fire\n \n\n1727\n00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:49,349\nlooked great. Didn't look like any fire\nwas even there. Even you can see even\n\n1728\n00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:49,359\nwas even there. Even you can see even\n \n\n1729\n00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:53,670\nwas even there. Even you can see even\nthe the lychans and moss on the branch\n\n1730\n00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:53,680\nthe the lychans and moss on the branch\n \n\n1731\n00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,309\nthe the lychans and moss on the branch\nare is perfectly intact. You know, the\n\n1732\n00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:56,319\nare is perfectly intact. You know, the\n \n\n1733\n00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:57,910\nare is perfectly intact. You know, the\nonly way you know a fire came through\n\n1734\n00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:57,920\nonly way you know a fire came through\n \n\n1735\n00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,150\nonly way you know a fire came through\nhere was the kind of ashy look of the\n\n1736\n00:41:00,150 --> 00:41:00,160\nhere was the kind of ashy look of the\n \n\n1737\n00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,950\nhere was the kind of ashy look of the\nduff layer, but also the deadwood knot\n\n1738\n00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:02,960\nduff layer, but also the deadwood knot\n \n\n1739\n00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,829\nduff layer, but also the deadwood knot\nthat burned out at the base of the tree.\n\n1740\n00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:05,839\nthat burned out at the base of the tree.\n \n\n1741\n00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:08,230\nthat burned out at the base of the tree.\nOkay? And we see this over and over\n\n1742\n00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:08,240\nOkay? And we see this over and over\n \n\n1743\n00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,710\nOkay? And we see this over and over\nagain. It's all about sight hygiene.\n\n1744\n00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:10,720\nagain. It's all about sight hygiene.\n \n\n1745\n00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:14,470\nagain. It's all about sight hygiene.\nOkay, leave the vegetation, manage it,\n\n1746\n00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:14,480\nOkay, leave the vegetation, manage it,\n \n\n1747\n00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,109\nOkay, leave the vegetation, manage it,\nand control your weeds. Okay,\n\n1748\n00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:19,119\nand control your weeds. Okay,\n \n\n1749\n00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,190\nand control your weeds. Okay,\nso this is another good concept right\n\n1750\n00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:21,200\nso this is another good concept right\n \n\n1751\n00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,309\nso this is another good concept right\nhere. If you have like trees surrounded\n\n1752\n00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:24,319\nhere. If you have like trees surrounded\n \n\n1753\n00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:27,109\nhere. If you have like trees surrounded\nby understory vegetation,\n\n1754\n00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:27,119\nby understory vegetation,\n \n\n1755\n00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,589\nby understory vegetation,\ncreate a gap between the tops of that\n\n1756\n00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:29,599\ncreate a gap between the tops of that\n \n\n1757\n00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,349\ncreate a gap between the tops of that\nunderstory and the bottom branches of\n\n1758\n00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:31,359\nunderstory and the bottom branches of\n \n\n1759\n00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:33,270\nunderstory and the bottom branches of\nthe tree that's roughly three times the\n\n1760\n00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:33,280\nthe tree that's roughly three times the\n \n\n1761\n00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,630\nthe tree that's roughly three times the\nheight of the understory. So let's say\n\n1762\n00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:36,640\nheight of the understory. So let's say\n \n\n1763\n00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,950\nheight of the understory. So let's say\nit's 18 in.\n\n1764\n00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:38,960\nit's 18 in.\n \n\n1765\n00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,270\nit's 18 in.\nUh 3 * 18 in is 4 1/2 ft. That's your\n\n1766\n00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:43,280\nUh 3 * 18 in is 4 1/2 ft. That's your\n \n\n1767\n00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,390\nUh 3 * 18 in is 4 1/2 ft. That's your\ngap. And um the total the total trim up\n\n1768\n00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:48,400\ngap. And um the total the total trim up\n \n\n1769\n00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,390\ngap. And um the total the total trim up\nlimb up would be about 6 feet in that\n\n1770\n00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:50,400\nlimb up would be about 6 feet in that\n \n\n1771\n00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,309\nlimb up would be about 6 feet in that\ncase. All right, that's how that works.\n\n1772\n00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:52,319\ncase. All right, that's how that works.\n \n\n1773\n00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,190\ncase. All right, that's how that works.\nAnd it works. Getting ladder fire\n\n1774\n00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:55,200\nAnd it works. Getting ladder fire\n \n\n1775\n00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,349\nAnd it works. Getting ladder fire\nladders and crown\n\n1776\n00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:57,359\nladders and crown\n \n\n1777\n00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:03,349\nladders and crown\nfires are um no joke.\n\n1778\n00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:03,359\n\n \n\n1779\n00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:06,550\n\nSo here's how you\n\n1780\n00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:06,560\nSo here's how you\n \n\n1781\n00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,750\nSo here's how you\ncan can thin naturally existing\n\n1782\n00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:09,760\ncan can thin naturally existing\n \n\n1783\n00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,150\ncan can thin naturally existing\nshrublin. And that kind of looks like\n\n1784\n00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:12,160\nshrublin. And that kind of looks like\n \n\n1785\n00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,589\nshrublin. And that kind of looks like\nthis. So this might even be a little bit\n\n1786\n00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:13,599\nthis. So this might even be a little bit\n \n\n1787\n00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,950\nthis. So this might even be a little bit\nover clearing. Okay. But we remove about\n\n1788\n00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:16,960\nover clearing. Okay. But we remove about\n \n\n1789\n00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,390\nover clearing. Okay. But we remove about\n40 to 50% of the canopy. You actually\n\n1790\n00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:20,400\n40 to 50% of the canopy. You actually\n \n\n1791\n00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,589\n40 to 50% of the canopy. You actually\nremove about 70% of the fuel line. And\n\n1792\n00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:23,599\nremove about 70% of the fuel line. And\n \n\n1793\n00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,030\nremove about 70% of the fuel line. And\none thing that's really important is\n\n1794\n00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:25,040\none thing that's really important is\n \n\n1795\n00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,870\none thing that's really important is\nthat when you grind up these branches\n\n1796\n00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:26,880\nthat when you grind up these branches\n \n\n1797\n00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,390\nthat when you grind up these branches\nand that you put them right back down\n\n1798\n00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:28,400\nand that you put them right back down\n \n\n1799\n00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,390\nand that you put them right back down\nthe site because that will discourage\n\n1800\n00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:32,400\nthe site because that will discourage\n \n\n1801\n00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,069\nthe site because that will discourage\num\n\n1802\n00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:34,079\num\n \n\n1803\n00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,790\num\nthat will that will discourage uh weeds\n\n1804\n00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:36,800\nthat will that will discourage uh weeds\n \n\n1805\n00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,950\nthat will that will discourage uh weeds\nand that from coming back into this now\n\n1806\n00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:38,960\nand that from coming back into this now\n \n\n1807\n00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,309\nand that from coming back into this now\nopened up shrub land. And you can take\n\n1808\n00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:42,319\nopened up shrub land. And you can take\n \n\n1809\n00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:44,309\nopened up shrub land. And you can take\nit to the next step, right? You can\n\n1810\n00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:44,319\nit to the next step, right? You can\n \n\n1811\n00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:46,790\nit to the next step, right? You can\ncarve out a mature native landscape. You\n\n1812\n00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:46,800\ncarve out a mature native landscape. You\n \n\n1813\n00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,630\ncarve out a mature native landscape. You\nknow, you can run lots of paths that\n\n1814\n00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:48,640\nknow, you can run lots of paths that\n \n\n1815\n00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,109\nknow, you can run lots of paths that\ndouble as fire brakes,\n\n1816\n00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:51,119\ndouble as fire brakes,\n \n\n1817\n00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,750\ndouble as fire brakes,\nuh, sitting areas,\n\n1818\n00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:53,760\nuh, sitting areas,\n \n\n1819\n00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,670\nuh, sitting areas,\nbird baths,\n\n1820\n00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:55,680\nbird baths,\n \n\n1821\n00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,230\nbird baths,\nbridges, whatever. You know, it cost\n\n1822\n00:43:00,230 --> 00:43:00,240\nbridges, whatever. You know, it cost\n \n\n1823\n00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,990\nbridges, whatever. You know, it cost\n150,000 easy per acre to landscape like\n\n1824\n00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:04,000\n150,000 easy per acre to landscape like\n \n\n1825\n00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,710\n150,000 easy per acre to landscape like\nthis. Why not work with the free\n\n1826\n00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:06,720\nthis. Why not work with the free\n \n\n1827\n00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:10,950\nthis. Why not work with the free\nlandscape you have and just clean it up,\n\n1828\n00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:10,960\nlandscape you have and just clean it up,\n \n\n1829\n00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,190\nlandscape you have and just clean it up,\nthin it out a bit, run paths, and you\n\n1830\n00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:13,200\nthin it out a bit, run paths, and you\n \n\n1831\n00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,190\nthin it out a bit, run paths, and you\nhave instant mature, beautiful habitat\n\n1832\n00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:17,200\nhave instant mature, beautiful habitat\n \n\n1833\n00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,910\nhave instant mature, beautiful habitat\nlandscape that, you know, is really fun\n\n1834\n00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:19,920\nlandscape that, you know, is really fun\n \n\n1835\n00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,750\nlandscape that, you know, is really fun\nto be out in.\n\n1836\n00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:23,760\n\n \n\n1837\n00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,630\n\nAnd here's another example. Okay, this\n\n1838\n00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:26,640\nAnd here's another example. Okay, this\n \n\n1839\n00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,270\nAnd here's another example. Okay, this\nis actually Cal Fire loved this, by the\n\n1840\n00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:29,280\nis actually Cal Fire loved this, by the\n \n\n1841\n00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,190\nis actually Cal Fire loved this, by the\nway, when they saw it. Uh this is\n\n1842\n00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:33,200\nway, when they saw it. Uh this is\n \n\n1843\n00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,430\nway, when they saw it. Uh this is\nwhat 50% thinning looks like. It's a\n\n1844\n00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:37,440\nwhat 50% thinning looks like. It's a\n \n\n1845\n00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,990\nwhat 50% thinning looks like. It's a\nbeautiful native park. We've limmed up\n\n1846\n00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:40,000\nbeautiful native park. We've limmed up\n \n\n1847\n00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,550\nbeautiful native park. We've limmed up\nthe in this case the manzanas and oaks.\n\n1848\n00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:42,560\nthe in this case the manzanas and oaks.\n \n\n1849\n00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,510\nthe in this case the manzanas and oaks.\nWe've removed the dead wood and we left\n\n1850\n00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:45,520\nWe've removed the dead wood and we left\n \n\n1851\n00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,030\nWe've removed the dead wood and we left\nourselves a beautiful private preserve.\n\n1852\n00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:49,040\nourselves a beautiful private preserve.\n \n\n1853\n00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,109\nourselves a beautiful private preserve.\nAgain, the chips go back down to help\n\n1854\n00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:51,119\nAgain, the chips go back down to help\n \n\n1855\n00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:55,670\nAgain, the chips go back down to help\nwith the weed control. All right. And uh\n\n1856\n00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:55,680\nwith the weed control. All right. And uh\n \n\n1857\n00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,030\nwith the weed control. All right. And uh\nI know John Keley, Dr. John Keley did a\n\n1858\n00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:59,040\nI know John Keley, Dr. John Keley did a\n \n\n1859\n00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,670\nI know John Keley, Dr. John Keley did a\nstudy on thinning\n\n1860\n00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:01,680\nstudy on thinning\n \n\n1861\n00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,630\nstudy on thinning\nand you don't want to thin any more than\n\n1862\n00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:04,640\nand you don't want to thin any more than\n \n\n1863\n00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,790\nand you don't want to thin any more than\n40 to 50%.\n\n1864\n00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:06,800\n40 to 50%.\n \n\n1865\n00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,230\n40 to 50%.\nAny higher and it becomes\n\n1866\n00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:08,240\nAny higher and it becomes\n \n\n1867\n00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,990\nAny higher and it becomes\ncounterproductive and you start to lose\n\n1868\n00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:10,000\ncounterproductive and you start to lose\n \n\n1869\n00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,589\ncounterproductive and you start to lose\nall your ember catching and blocking.\n\n1870\n00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:15,599\n\n \n\n1871\n00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,150\n\nSo now let's talk about the scenario\n\n1872\n00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:18,160\nSo now let's talk about the scenario\n \n\n1873\n00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,829\nSo now let's talk about the scenario\nwhere they bulldoze it. Now you want to\n\n1874\n00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:19,839\nwhere they bulldoze it. Now you want to\n \n\n1875\n00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,790\nwhere they bulldoze it. Now you want to\nplant it back. And in our case we're\n\n1876\n00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:22,800\nplant it back. And in our case we're\n \n\n1877\n00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,550\nplant it back. And in our case we're\ngoing to plant it back with lightly\n\n1878\n00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:24,560\ngoing to plant it back with lightly\n \n\n1879\n00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,550\ngoing to plant it back with lightly\nirrigated native plants.\n\n1880\n00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:28,560\nirrigated native plants.\n \n\n1881\n00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,750\nirrigated native plants.\nThis is by far our favorite way to\n\n1882\n00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:31,760\nThis is by far our favorite way to\n \n\n1883\n00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,790\nThis is by far our favorite way to\nirrigate native plants.\n\n1884\n00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:34,800\nirrigate native plants.\n \n\n1885\n00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,069\nirrigate native plants.\nThis is the MP rotator system.\n\n1886\n00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:38,079\nThis is the MP rotator system.\n \n\n1887\n00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,630\nThis is the MP rotator system.\nIt's made by Hunter. I do not work for\n\n1888\n00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:40,640\nIt's made by Hunter. I do not work for\n \n\n1889\n00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,990\nIt's made by Hunter. I do not work for\nHunter. I get nothing\n\n1890\n00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:44,000\nHunter. I get nothing\n \n\n1891\n00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,069\nHunter. I get nothing\nfrom them,\n\n1892\n00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:46,079\nfrom them,\n \n\n1893\n00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,390\nfrom them,\nbut I can tell you it is by far our\n\n1894\n00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:48,400\nbut I can tell you it is by far our\n \n\n1895\n00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,630\nbut I can tell you it is by far our\nfavorite system.\n\n1896\n00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:50,640\nfavorite system.\n \n\n1897\n00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,870\nfavorite system.\nuh and it has performed amazingly\n\n1898\n00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:54,880\nuh and it has performed amazingly\n \n\n1899\n00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,430\nuh and it has performed amazingly\non a lot of properties and basically\n\n1900\n00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:57,440\non a lot of properties and basically\n \n\n1901\n00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,390\non a lot of properties and basically\nwhat natives want is native ecology\n\n1902\n00:45:00,390 --> 00:45:00,400\nwhat natives want is native ecology\n \n\n1903\n00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,910\nwhat natives want is native ecology\nand we give them natural rainfall.\n\n1904\n00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:03,920\nand we give them natural rainfall.\n \n\n1905\n00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,150\nand we give them natural rainfall.\nNow sometimes drip is unavoidable\n\n1906\n00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:06,160\nNow sometimes drip is unavoidable\n \n\n1907\n00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,190\nNow sometimes drip is unavoidable\nespecially for like narrow planters near\n\n1908\n00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:09,200\nespecially for like narrow planters near\n \n\n1909\n00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,309\nespecially for like narrow planters near\nthe house or whatever that's fine but in\n\n1910\n00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:12,319\nthe house or whatever that's fine but in\n \n\n1911\n00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:14,069\nthe house or whatever that's fine but in\ngeneral especially on these you know\n\n1912\n00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:14,079\ngeneral especially on these you know\n \n\n1913\n00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,510\ngeneral especially on these you know\nslopes and and uh zone 2 even zone one\n\n1914\n00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:17,520\nslopes and and uh zone 2 even zone one\n \n\n1915\n00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,750\nslopes and and uh zone 2 even zone one\nareas we like to water them overhead.\n\n1916\n00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:19,760\nareas we like to water them overhead.\n \n\n1917\n00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,589\nareas we like to water them overhead.\nDon't let anybody tell you you can't\n\n1918\n00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:21,599\nDon't let anybody tell you you can't\n \n\n1919\n00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,670\nDon't let anybody tell you you can't\noverhead water a native plant. That's\n\n1920\n00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:23,680\noverhead water a native plant. That's\n \n\n1921\n00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,270\noverhead water a native plant. That's\nridiculous. How does mother nature do\n\n1922\n00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:25,280\nridiculous. How does mother nature do\n \n\n1923\n00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,030\nridiculous. How does mother nature do\nit? All right. So, we're even\n\n1924\n00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:29,040\nit? All right. So, we're even\n \n\n1925\n00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,430\nit? All right. So, we're even\nexperimenting with doing light hydration\n\n1926\n00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:31,440\nexperimenting with doing light hydration\n \n\n1927\n00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,230\nexperimenting with doing light hydration\non existing native vegetation around\n\n1928\n00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:34,240\non existing native vegetation around\n \n\n1929\n00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,150\non existing native vegetation around\nhomes.\n\n1930\n00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:36,160\nhomes.\n \n\n1931\n00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,230\nhomes.\nAnd\n\n1932\n00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:38,240\nAnd\n \n\n1933\n00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,750\nAnd\nclearly, you can see the difference\n\n1934\n00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:39,760\nclearly, you can see the difference\n \n\n1935\n00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,190\nclearly, you can see the difference\nbetween the hydrated and non-hydrated\n\n1936\n00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:43,200\nbetween the hydrated and non-hydrated\n \n\n1937\n00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,990\nbetween the hydrated and non-hydrated\nvegetation. But the hydrated vegetation,\n\n1938\n00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:48,000\nvegetation. But the hydrated vegetation,\n \n\n1939\n00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,550\nvegetation. But the hydrated vegetation,\nit looks nice. It's not overgrown. It's\n\n1940\n00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:50,560\nit looks nice. It's not overgrown. It's\n \n\n1941\n00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,470\nit looks nice. It's not overgrown. It's\nnot at all six. In fact, it's nice and\n\n1942\n00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:52,480\nnot at all six. In fact, it's nice and\n \n\n1943\n00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,309\nnot at all six. In fact, it's nice and\nhydrated and green and it's going to do\n\n1944\n00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:54,319\nhydrated and green and it's going to do\n \n\n1945\n00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:59,670\nhydrated and green and it's going to do\na lot better in a fire situation.\n\n1946\n00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:59,680\n\n \n\n1947\n00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,230\n\nOkay. So, what is this Navy study we\n\n1948\n00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:02,240\nOkay. So, what is this Navy study we\n \n\n1949\n00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,430\nOkay. So, what is this Navy study we\nkeep referring to? Um,\n\n1950\n00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:05,440\nkeep referring to? Um,\n \n\n1951\n00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,270\nkeep referring to? Um,\nand why the US Navy, right? They're out\n\n1952\n00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:07,280\nand why the US Navy, right? They're out\n \n\n1953\n00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,950\nand why the US Navy, right? They're out\nin the middle of the ocean, but as you\n\n1954\n00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:10,960\nin the middle of the ocean, but as you\n \n\n1955\n00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,510\nin the middle of the ocean, but as you\nrealize, uh,\n\n1956\n00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:13,520\nrealize, uh,\n \n\n1957\n00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,750\nrealize, uh,\nthey have naval bases. And on this these\n\n1958\n00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:15,760\nthey have naval bases. And on this these\n \n\n1959\n00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,230\nthey have naval bases. And on this these\nspaces are hundreds of thousands of\n\n1960\n00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:18,240\nspaces are hundreds of thousands of\n \n\n1961\n00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,710\nspaces are hundreds of thousands of\nacres of naval housing, all of which are\n\n1962\n00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:20,720\nacres of naval housing, all of which are\n \n\n1963\n00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,309\nacres of naval housing, all of which are\npretty much up against the wildlands.\n\n1964\n00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:24,319\npretty much up against the wildlands.\n \n\n1965\n00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:27,589\npretty much up against the wildlands.\nSo when they had heard about us and had\n\n1966\n00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:27,599\nSo when they had heard about us and had\n \n\n1967\n00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,589\nSo when they had heard about us and had\ncome to a couple of our presentations,\n\n1968\n00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:31,599\ncome to a couple of our presentations,\n \n\n1969\n00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:32,950\ncome to a couple of our presentations,\nyou know, it caught their attention when\n\n1970\n00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:32,960\nyou know, it caught their attention when\n \n\n1971\n00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,390\nyou know, it caught their attention when\nI'm saying that, you know, you can\n\n1972\n00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:34,400\nI'm saying that, you know, you can\n \n\n1973\n00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,790\nI'm saying that, you know, you can\ncreate a green belt around your\n\n1974\n00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:36,800\ncreate a green belt around your\n \n\n1975\n00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,030\ncreate a green belt around your\ncommunities that uses far less water,\n\n1976\n00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:39,040\ncommunities that uses far less water,\n \n\n1977\n00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,190\ncommunities that uses far less water,\nfar less maintenance,\n\n1978\n00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:41,200\nfar less maintenance,\n \n\n1979\n00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,910\nfar less maintenance,\nuh is incredible habitat because they\n\n1980\n00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:43,920\nuh is incredible habitat because they\n \n\n1981\n00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,430\nuh is incredible habitat because they\nare serious about preserving habitat.\n\n1982\n00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:47,440\nare serious about preserving habitat.\n \n\n1983\n00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,910\nare serious about preserving habitat.\nUm looks beautiful year round. Uh and\n\n1984\n00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:51,920\nUm looks beautiful year round. Uh and\n \n\n1985\n00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,670\nUm looks beautiful year round. Uh and\noh, by the way, it's fire resistant.\n\n1986\n00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:53,680\noh, by the way, it's fire resistant.\n \n\n1987\n00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,670\noh, by the way, it's fire resistant.\nthat gets her attention, right? So, most\n\n1988\n00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:57,680\nthat gets her attention, right? So, most\n \n\n1989\n00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,349\nthat gets her attention, right? So, most\nof our current approaches continuing to\n\n1990\n00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:59,359\nof our current approaches continuing to\n \n\n1991\n00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:01,829\nof our current approaches continuing to\nthis day are anecdotal and not based on\n\n1992\n00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:01,839\nthis day are anecdotal and not based on\n \n\n1993\n00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:04,230\nthis day are anecdotal and not based on\nexperimental design. They're often\n\n1994\n00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:04,240\nexperimental design. They're often\n \n\n1995\n00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,069\nexperimental design. They're often\nhighly destructive to the environment\n\n1996\n00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:06,079\nhighly destructive to the environment\n \n\n1997\n00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,349\nhighly destructive to the environment\nwith inconsistent outcomes. And guys, I\n\n1998\n00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:09,359\nwith inconsistent outcomes. And guys, I\n \n\n1999\n00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:11,109\nwith inconsistent outcomes. And guys, I\ngot to tell you, there's a lot of prior\n\n2000\n00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:11,119\ngot to tell you, there's a lot of prior\n \n\n2001\n00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,829\ngot to tell you, there's a lot of prior\nscience out there. People aren't looking\n\n2002\n00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:13,839\nscience out there. People aren't looking\n \n\n2003\n00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:18,630\nscience out there. People aren't looking\nat it. Um, I mean, there's a lot. And\n\n2004\n00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:18,640\nat it. Um, I mean, there's a lot. And\n \n\n2005\n00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,589\nat it. Um, I mean, there's a lot. And\nunfortunately, like I said, vegetation\n\n2006\n00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:21,599\nunfortunately, like I said, vegetation\n \n\n2007\n00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,309\nunfortunately, like I said, vegetation\nis an easy boogeyman\n\n2008\n00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:24,319\nis an easy boogeyman\n \n\n2009\n00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:27,270\nis an easy boogeyman\nand it's very performative\n\n2010\n00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:27,280\nand it's very performative\n \n\n2011\n00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,190\nand it's very performative\nand it kind of then ends up putting all\n\n2012\n00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:29,200\nand it kind of then ends up putting all\n \n\n2013\n00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,510\nand it kind of then ends up putting all\nthe onus on the homeowners, right? And\n\n2014\n00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:33,520\nthe onus on the homeowners, right? And\n \n\n2015\n00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,190\nthe onus on the homeowners, right? And\nyet homes are still burning to the\n\n2016\n00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:35,200\nyet homes are still burning to the\n \n\n2017\n00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,510\nyet homes are still burning to the\nground.\n\n2018\n00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:37,520\nground.\n \n\n2019\n00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,510\nground.\nSo, we were awarded the ecologically\n\n2020\n00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:39,520\nSo, we were awarded the ecologically\n \n\n2021\n00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,109\nSo, we were awarded the ecologically\nsustainable fire risk reduction\n\n2022\n00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:43,119\nsustainable fire risk reduction\n \n\n2023\n00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,309\nsustainable fire risk reduction\nuh research grant and I was co-principal\n\n2024\n00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:46,319\nuh research grant and I was co-principal\n \n\n2025\n00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:49,510\nuh research grant and I was co-principal\ninvestigator with Dr. John Keley.\n\n2026\n00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:49,520\ninvestigator with Dr. John Keley.\n \n\n2027\n00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,750\ninvestigator with Dr. John Keley.\nSo the experimental design, the\n\n2028\n00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:51,760\nSo the experimental design, the\n \n\n2029\n00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,190\nSo the experimental design, the\nselection criteria for our test homes\n\n2030\n00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:55,200\nselection criteria for our test homes\n \n\n2031\n00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,790\nselection criteria for our test homes\nwas one that had to be located at the\n\n2032\n00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:56,800\nwas one that had to be located at the\n \n\n2033\n00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,950\nwas one that had to be located at the\nwildland urban interface and survived a\n\n2034\n00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:58,960\nwildland urban interface and survived a\n \n\n2035\n00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,150\nwildland urban interface and survived a\nmajor fire event and include\n\n2036\n00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:02,160\nmajor fire event and include\n \n\n2037\n00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,510\nmajor fire event and include\nlightly irrigated native landscape\n\n2038\n00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:05,520\nlightly irrigated native landscape\n \n\n2039\n00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,829\nlightly irrigated native landscape\nnatural chaper or coastal space growth\n\n2040\n00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:07,839\nnatural chaper or coastal space growth\n \n\n2041\n00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:09,109\nnatural chaper or coastal space growth\nthinned according to common\n\n2042\n00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:09,119\nthinned according to common\n \n\n2043\n00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,950\nthinned according to common\nprescriptions which is you know around\n\n2044\n00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:10,960\nprescriptions which is you know around\n \n\n2045\n00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,109\nprescriptions which is you know around\n50%.\n\n2046\n00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:13,119\n50%.\n \n\n2047\n00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,470\n50%.\nAnd then of course a control of\n\n2048\n00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:16,480\nAnd then of course a control of\n \n\n2049\n00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,109\nAnd then of course a control of\nunmodified natural shrubland in uh\n\n2050\n00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:19,119\nunmodified natural shrubland in uh\n \n\n2051\n00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:20,950\nunmodified natural shrubland in uh\nvegetation.\n\n2052\n00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:20,960\nvegetation.\n \n\n2053\n00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,510\nvegetation.\nAll right. So this had to exist on all\n\n2054\n00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:23,520\nAll right. So this had to exist on all\n \n\n2055\n00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,829\nAll right. So this had to exist on all\nthese sites and we had quite a few out\n\n2056\n00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:25,839\nthese sites and we had quite a few out\n \n\n2057\n00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:28,710\nthese sites and we had quite a few out\nthere mostly in the Ramona\n\n2058\n00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:28,720\nthere mostly in the Ramona\n \n\n2059\n00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,750\nthere mostly in the Ramona\nuh east county areas.\n\n2060\n00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:31,760\nuh east county areas.\n \n\n2061\n00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,309\nuh east county areas.\nAnd here are the results.\n\n2062\n00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:34,319\nAnd here are the results.\n \n\n2063\n00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,790\nAnd here are the results.\nThis is a graph. These are graphs of\n\n2064\n00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:36,800\nThis is a graph. These are graphs of\n \n\n2065\n00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,069\nThis is a graph. These are graphs of\nrate of fire spray spread\n\n2066\n00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:40,079\nrate of fire spray spread\n \n\n2067\n00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,549\nrate of fire spray spread\nas a function of slope and wind speed.\n\n2068\n00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:44,559\nas a function of slope and wind speed.\n \n\n2069\n00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,870\nas a function of slope and wind speed.\nAnd the dotted line is the lightly\n\n2070\n00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:48,880\nAnd the dotted line is the lightly\n \n\n2071\n00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,309\nAnd the dotted line is the lightly\nirrigated planted native landscapes\n\n2072\n00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:52,319\nirrigated planted native landscapes\n \n\n2073\n00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,430\nirrigated planted native landscapes\nfollowed not far behind by the thinned\n\n2074\n00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:55,440\nfollowed not far behind by the thinned\n \n\n2075\n00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,549\nfollowed not far behind by the thinned\nnatural shrubland areas. This is, by the\n\n2076\n00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:58,559\nnatural shrubland areas. This is, by the\n \n\n2077\n00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,069\nnatural shrubland areas. This is, by the\nway, had never been tested before.\n\n2078\n00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:02,079\nway, had never been tested before.\n \n\n2079\n00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:05,829\nway, had never been tested before.\nAnd then the the solid line is uh the\n\n2080\n00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:05,839\nAnd then the the solid line is uh the\n \n\n2081\n00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:08,390\nAnd then the the solid line is uh the\nunmodified control.\n\n2082\n00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:08,400\nunmodified control.\n \n\n2083\n00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,109\nunmodified control.\nAnd\n\n2084\n00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:11,119\nAnd\n \n\n2085\n00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:14,069\nAnd\nthe relationship is pretty clear and\n\n2086\n00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:14,079\nthe relationship is pretty clear and\n \n\n2087\n00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,430\nthe relationship is pretty clear and\nthis relationship remained regardless of\n\n2088\n00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:17,440\nthis relationship remained regardless of\n \n\n2089\n00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,390\nthis relationship remained regardless of\nslope or wind speed\n\n2090\n00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:20,400\nslope or wind speed\n \n\n2091\n00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,230\nslope or wind speed\nand across vegetation type. The only one\n\n2092\n00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:24,240\nand across vegetation type. The only one\n \n\n2093\n00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,230\nand across vegetation type. The only one\nthat was a little bit weird were were\n\n2094\n00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:26,240\nthat was a little bit weird were were\n \n\n2095\n00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:29,829\nthat was a little bit weird were were\nthe native scrub oaks which we think in\n\n2096\n00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:29,839\nthe native scrub oaks which we think in\n \n\n2097\n00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:32,630\nthe native scrub oaks which we think in\na natural condition actually were able\n\n2098\n00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:32,640\na natural condition actually were able\n \n\n2099\n00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,109\na natural condition actually were able\nto dry to derive such\n\n2100\n00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:37,119\nto dry to derive such\n \n\n2101\n00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,430\nto dry to derive such\nuh hydration from the plant community\n\n2102\n00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:39,440\nuh hydration from the plant community\n \n\n2103\n00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,349\nuh hydration from the plant community\nthat didn't matter as much which is very\n\n2104\n00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:41,359\nthat didn't matter as much which is very\n \n\n2105\n00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:43,910\nthat didn't matter as much which is very\ninteresting.\n\n2106\n00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:43,920\ninteresting.\n \n\n2107\n00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,230\ninteresting.\nOkay, here's this dreaded redwood mulch.\n\n2108\n00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:46,240\nOkay, here's this dreaded redwood mulch.\n \n\n2109\n00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,710\nOkay, here's this dreaded redwood mulch.\nRight? For one thing, it can stick to\n\n2110\n00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:48,720\nRight? For one thing, it can stick to\n \n\n2111\n00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,190\nRight? For one thing, it can stick to\nvery steep slopes.\n\n2112\n00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:51,200\nvery steep slopes.\n \n\n2113\n00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,190\nvery steep slopes.\nBut the key is it has to be consolidated\n\n2114\n00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:53,200\nBut the key is it has to be consolidated\n \n\n2115\n00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,270\nBut the key is it has to be consolidated\nby overhead watering. This is critical\n\n2116\n00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:55,280\nby overhead watering. This is critical\n \n\n2117\n00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,430\nby overhead watering. This is critical\nto fire resistance.\n\n2118\n00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:57,440\nto fire resistance.\n \n\n2119\n00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,910\nto fire resistance.\nThe fuels are less oxygenated in that\n\n2120\n00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:59,920\nThe fuels are less oxygenated in that\n \n\n2121\n00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,589\nThe fuels are less oxygenated in that\ncase.\n\n2122\n00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:01,599\ncase.\n \n\n2123\n00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,670\ncase.\nAnd I mean, anything that's oxygenated\n\n2124\n00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:03,680\nAnd I mean, anything that's oxygenated\n \n\n2125\n00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,990\nAnd I mean, anything that's oxygenated\nwill burn, including steel wool, if you\n\n2126\n00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:06,000\nwill burn, including steel wool, if you\n \n\n2127\n00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,150\nwill burn, including steel wool, if you\nremember as a kid burning that stuff. I\n\n2128\n00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:08,160\nremember as a kid burning that stuff. I\n \n\n2129\n00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,510\nremember as a kid burning that stuff. I\noften get the question, what about oak\n\n2130\n00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:11,520\noften get the question, what about oak\n \n\n2131\n00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,829\noften get the question, what about oak\nleaf litter?\n\n2132\n00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:13,839\nleaf litter?\n \n\n2133\n00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:16,230\nleaf litter?\nWell, you know, if you have oakleaf\n\n2134\n00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:16,240\nWell, you know, if you have oakleaf\n \n\n2135\n00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:17,990\nWell, you know, if you have oakleaf\nlitter that's a foot thick, yeah, you\n\n2136\n00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:18,000\nlitter that's a foot thick, yeah, you\n \n\n2137\n00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,349\nlitter that's a foot thick, yeah, you\ncan thin it down to four to six inches,\n\n2138\n00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:21,359\ncan thin it down to four to six inches,\n \n\n2139\n00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:23,990\ncan thin it down to four to six inches,\nokay? But you're much better off having\n\n2140\n00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:24,000\nokay? But you're much better off having\n \n\n2141\n00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:31,109\nokay? But you're much better off having\na healthy, happy, hydrated oak\n\n2142\n00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:31,119\na healthy, happy, hydrated oak\n \n\n2143\n00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,950\na healthy, happy, hydrated oak\nthat is that is weed-free\n\n2144\n00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:34,960\nthat is that is weed-free\n \n\n2145\n00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,710\nthat is that is weed-free\nbecause of their natural mulch it forms\n\n2146\n00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:38,720\nbecause of their natural mulch it forms\n \n\n2147\n00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,710\nbecause of their natural mulch it forms\nand in a position to help protect your\n\n2148\n00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:40,720\nand in a position to help protect your\n \n\n2149\n00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,390\nand in a position to help protect your\nhome. Just like in that photo I showed\n\n2150\n00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:42,400\nhome. Just like in that photo I showed\n \n\n2151\n00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,549\nhome. Just like in that photo I showed\nyou with the oaks scorched on the fire\n\n2152\n00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:44,559\nyou with the oaks scorched on the fire\n \n\n2153\n00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,589\nyou with the oaks scorched on the fire\nside, green on the other and the intact\n\n2154\n00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:47,599\nside, green on the other and the intact\n \n\n2155\n00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:50,790\nside, green on the other and the intact\nhome beyond. Okay. So much better to\n\n2156\n00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:50,800\nhome beyond. Okay. So much better to\n \n\n2157\n00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,790\nhome beyond. Okay. So much better to\npromote the health of that tree than to\n\n2158\n00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:52,800\npromote the health of that tree than to\n \n\n2159\n00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,190\npromote the health of that tree than to\ntake all that leaf litter out. Watch\n\n2160\n00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:55,200\ntake all that leaf litter out. Watch\n \n\n2161\n00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,349\ntake all that leaf litter out. Watch\nthat tree immediately start declining.\n\n2162\n00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:57,359\nthat tree immediately start declining.\n \n\n2163\n00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:59,349\nthat tree immediately start declining.\nWatch all the weeds start to come up in\n\n2164\n00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:59,359\nWatch all the weeds start to come up in\n \n\n2165\n00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:03,670\nWatch all the weeds start to come up in\nthe in the in its uh absence and and\n\n2166\n00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:03,680\nthe in the in its uh absence and and\n \n\n2167\n00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,470\nthe in the in its uh absence and and\nreally affect the health of the tree and\n\n2168\n00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:06,480\nreally affect the health of the tree and\n \n\n2169\n00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,309\nreally affect the health of the tree and\ncreate fire ladders underneath the\n\n2170\n00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:08,319\ncreate fire ladders underneath the\n \n\n2171\n00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:10,230\ncreate fire ladders underneath the\ncanopy\n\n2172\n00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:10,240\ncanopy\n \n\n2173\n00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,109\ncanopy\nthat allow enough dwell time for this\n\n2174\n00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:13,119\nthat allow enough dwell time for this\n \n\n2175\n00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,390\nthat allow enough dwell time for this\nsick tree to ignite. And when oak trees\n\n2176\n00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:16,400\nsick tree to ignite. And when oak trees\n \n\n2177\n00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,390\nsick tree to ignite. And when oak trees\nignite,\n\n2178\n00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:18,400\nignite,\n \n\n2179\n00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,270\nignite,\num, they usually explode.\n\n2180\n00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:21,280\num, they usually explode.\n \n\n2181\n00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,950\num, they usually explode.\nThey build up steam pressure. They\n\n2182\n00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:22,960\nThey build up steam pressure. They\n \n\n2183\n00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,750\nThey build up steam pressure. They\nusually hollow. They build up steam\n\n2184\n00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:25,760\nusually hollow. They build up steam\n \n\n2185\n00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,630\nusually hollow. They build up steam\npressure and it blows right out the top.\n\n2186\n00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:28,640\npressure and it blows right out the top.\n \n\n2187\n00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,270\npressure and it blows right out the top.\nBeen there, done that.\n\n2188\n00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:31,280\nBeen there, done that.\n \n\n2189\n00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,190\nBeen there, done that.\nHere's the same landscape and look at\n\n2190\n00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:33,200\nHere's the same landscape and look at\n \n\n2191\n00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,710\nHere's the same landscape and look at\nthe other d opposite direction and 14\n\n2192\n00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:36,720\nthe other d opposite direction and 14\n \n\n2193\n00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,230\nthe other d opposite direction and 14\nmonths later. So, you can see how much\n\n2194\n00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:38,240\nmonths later. So, you can see how much\n \n\n2195\n00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,910\nmonths later. So, you can see how much\ngrowth we've gotten from one gallon\n\n2196\n00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:39,920\ngrowth we've gotten from one gallon\n \n\n2197\n00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,390\ngrowth we've gotten from one gallon\nplants in 14 months. I also want you to\n\n2198\n00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:42,400\nplants in 14 months. I also want you to\n \n\n2199\n00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,030\nplants in 14 months. I also want you to\nnotice how consolidated that dreaded\n\n2200\n00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:45,040\nnotice how consolidated that dreaded\n \n\n2201\n00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,069\nnotice how consolidated that dreaded\nredwood bark redwood bark mulch is.\n\n2202\n00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:48,079\nredwood bark redwood bark mulch is.\n \n\n2203\n00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:52,309\nredwood bark redwood bark mulch is.\nOkay. And again, I've got documentation\n\n2204\n00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:52,319\nOkay. And again, I've got documentation\n \n\n2205\n00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:55,190\nOkay. And again, I've got documentation\nof how this actually performed in fires.\n\n2206\n00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:55,200\nof how this actually performed in fires.\n \n\n2207\n00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,910\nof how this actually performed in fires.\nIn fact, here it is. So, these are some\n\n2208\n00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:57,920\nIn fact, here it is. So, these are some\n \n\n2209\n00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,230\nIn fact, here it is. So, these are some\ncase histories I'm going to show you.\n\n2210\n00:52:00,230 --> 00:52:00,240\ncase histories I'm going to show you.\n \n\n2211\n00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,630\ncase histories I'm going to show you.\nThis is in the Cedar Fire in 2003. This\n\n2212\n00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:02,640\nThis is in the Cedar Fire in 2003. This\n \n\n2213\n00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,150\nThis is in the Cedar Fire in 2003. This\nis out in Ramona. Uh that is the mulch\n\n2214\n00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:06,160\nis out in Ramona. Uh that is the mulch\n \n\n2215\n00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,470\nis out in Ramona. Uh that is the mulch\nthat smoldered.\n\n2216\n00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:08,480\nthat smoldered.\n \n\n2217\n00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,309\nthat smoldered.\nUh the plants were scorched, singed, but\n\n2218\n00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:12,319\nUh the plants were scorched, singed, but\n \n\n2219\n00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:13,990\nUh the plants were scorched, singed, but\ncompletely alive. You can see in the\n\n2220\n00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:14,000\ncompletely alive. You can see in the\n \n\n2221\n00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,390\ncompletely alive. You can see in the\nbackground here, these shrubs still have\n\n2222\n00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:16,400\nbackground here, these shrubs still have\n \n\n2223\n00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,630\nbackground here, these shrubs still have\ngreen leaves on them. And not even all\n\n2224\n00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:18,640\ngreen leaves on them. And not even all\n \n\n2225\n00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,790\ngreen leaves on them. And not even all\nthe mulch was burned. And I want you to\n\n2226\n00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:20,800\nthe mulch was burned. And I want you to\n \n\n2227\n00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,510\nthe mulch was burned. And I want you to\nnotice those red marker flags right\n\n2228\n00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:23,520\nnotice those red marker flags right\n \n\n2229\n00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,950\nnotice those red marker flags right\nthere because look at this next slide.\n\n2230\n00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:26,960\nthere because look at this next slide.\n \n\n2231\n00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,349\nthere because look at this next slide.\nOkay,\n\n2232\n00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:29,359\nOkay,\n \n\n2233\n00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:31,670\nOkay,\nso I would not be using this mullet\n\n2234\n00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:31,680\nso I would not be using this mullet\n \n\n2235\n00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,510\nso I would not be using this mullet\nunderneath the eaves. Okay, this is long\n\n2236\n00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:33,520\nunderneath the eaves. Okay, this is long\n \n\n2237\n00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,309\nunderneath the eaves. Okay, this is long\nbefore that was mandated or really\n\n2238\n00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:36,319\nbefore that was mandated or really\n \n\n2239\n00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:37,990\nbefore that was mandated or really\nconsidered. We were considering it\n\n2240\n00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:38,000\nconsidered. We were considering it\n \n\n2241\n00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,910\nconsidered. We were considering it\nalready. But anyway, the marker flags\n\n2242\n00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:41,920\nalready. But anyway, the marker flags\n \n\n2243\n00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,230\nalready. But anyway, the marker flags\nwere all placed prior to the fire.\n\n2244\n00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:46,240\nwere all placed prior to the fire.\n \n\n2245\n00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,109\nwere all placed prior to the fire.\nThey were marking new plantings.\n\n2246\n00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:49,119\nThey were marking new plantings.\n \n\n2247\n00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,910\nThey were marking new plantings.\nOkay. And the only one that's melted\n\n2248\n00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:51,920\nOkay. And the only one that's melted\n \n\n2249\n00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,390\nOkay. And the only one that's melted\nhere is the one that got melted not from\n\n2250\n00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:54,400\nhere is the one that got melted not from\n \n\n2251\n00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,549\nhere is the one that got melted not from\nthe plants or mulch, but from the\n\n2252\n00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:56,559\nthe plants or mulch, but from the\n \n\n2253\n00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:00,309\nthe plants or mulch, but from the\nburning garden hose. Okay. Ironically.\n\n2254\n00:53:00,309 --> 00:53:00,319\nburning garden hose. Okay. Ironically.\n \n\n2255\n00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:02,870\nburning garden hose. Okay. Ironically.\nAnd if you look over by the uh pathway\n\n2256\n00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:02,880\nAnd if you look over by the uh pathway\n \n\n2257\n00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,390\nAnd if you look over by the uh pathway\nhere,\n\n2258\n00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:04,400\nhere,\n \n\n2259\n00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,589\nhere,\num there's a plastic drain grate\n\n2260\n00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:07,599\num there's a plastic drain grate\n \n\n2261\n00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,870\num there's a plastic drain grate\nwhich is not distorted or melted. You\n\n2262\n00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:10,880\nwhich is not distorted or melted. You\n \n\n2263\n00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,870\nwhich is not distorted or melted. You\ncan clearly see the height of the of the\n\n2264\n00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:14,880\ncan clearly see the height of the of the\n \n\n2265\n00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,950\ncan clearly see the height of the of the\nflames on here because of the scorch\n\n2266\n00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:16,960\nflames on here because of the scorch\n \n\n2267\n00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,910\nflames on here because of the scorch\nmarks on the screed lines\n\n2268\n00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:19,920\nmarks on the screed lines\n \n\n2269\n00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,870\nmarks on the screed lines\nand the rocks. It's about 2 in. Okay.\n\n2270\n00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:24,880\nand the rocks. It's about 2 in. Okay.\n \n\n2271\n00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,670\nand the rocks. It's about 2 in. Okay.\nObviously, this house survived\n\n2272\n00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:27,680\nObviously, this house survived\n \n\n2273\n00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,230\nObviously, this house survived\nactually intact.\n\n2274\n00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:30,240\nactually intact.\n \n\n2275\n00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,630\nactually intact.\nAnd the having those all those plastic\n\n2276\n00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:32,640\nAnd the having those all those plastic\n \n\n2277\n00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,030\nAnd the having those all those plastic\nflags everywhere,\n\n2278\n00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:35,040\nflags everywhere,\n \n\n2279\n00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,790\nflags everywhere,\nyou know, you couldn't have designed an\n\n2280\n00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:36,800\nyou know, you couldn't have designed an\n \n\n2281\n00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,309\nyou know, you couldn't have designed an\ninvestigation better. It was\n\n2282\n00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:38,319\ninvestigation better. It was\n \n\n2283\n00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:41,270\ninvestigation better. It was\nserendipity.\n\n2284\n00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:41,280\nserendipity.\n \n\n2285\n00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,069\nserendipity.\nHere's the back of the home. Okay. And\n\n2286\n00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:44,079\nHere's the back of the home. Okay. And\n \n\n2287\n00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,069\nHere's the back of the home. Okay. And\nin zone one there, we see I have a lot\n\n2288\n00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:46,079\nin zone one there, we see I have a lot\n \n\n2289\n00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,829\nin zone one there, we see I have a lot\nof hardcape.\n\n2290\n00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:47,839\nof hardcape.\n \n\n2291\n00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,470\nof hardcape.\nI had plantings under the eaves there,\n\n2292\n00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:50,480\nI had plantings under the eaves there,\n \n\n2293\n00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,270\nI had plantings under the eaves there,\nwhich many of them are still green. They\n\n2294\n00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:53,280\nwhich many of them are still green. They\n \n\n2295\n00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,430\nwhich many of them are still green. They\ndidn't they didn't, you know, even\n\n2296\n00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:55,440\ndidn't they didn't, you know, even\n \n\n2297\n00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,150\ndidn't they didn't, you know, even\nscorch the house itself. There was molts\n\n2298\n00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:58,160\nscorch the house itself. There was molts\n \n\n2299\n00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,030\nscorch the house itself. There was molts\nthere, which I would not do today. But\n\n2300\n00:54:01,030 --> 00:54:01,040\nthere, which I would not do today. But\n \n\n2301\n00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,430\nthere, which I would not do today. But\nalso look to the right. Look at all the\n\n2302\n00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:03,440\nalso look to the right. Look at all the\n \n\n2303\n00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,950\nalso look to the right. Look at all the\nunmelted marker flags. Okay, in the huge\n\n2304\n00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:06,960\nunmelted marker flags. Okay, in the huge\n \n\n2305\n00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,950\nunmelted marker flags. Okay, in the huge\npatch of molts, it isn't even burned.\n\n2306\n00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:08,960\npatch of molts, it isn't even burned.\n \n\n2307\n00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,950\npatch of molts, it isn't even burned.\nOkay,\n\n2308\n00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:10,960\nOkay,\n \n\n2309\n00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,270\nOkay,\nthat doesn't mean that this house didn't\n\n2310\n00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:13,280\nthat doesn't mean that this house didn't\n \n\n2311\n00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,069\nthat doesn't mean that this house didn't\nalmost ignite for nothing to do with the\n\n2312\n00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:16,079\nalmost ignite for nothing to do with the\n \n\n2313\n00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,710\nalmost ignite for nothing to do with the\nlandscape. Over on the left corner there\n\n2314\n00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:18,720\nlandscape. Over on the left corner there\n \n\n2315\n00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,870\nlandscape. Over on the left corner there\nwhere that wagon was, two weeks before\n\n2316\n00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:20,880\nwhere that wagon was, two weeks before\n \n\n2317\n00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,910\nwhere that wagon was, two weeks before\nthe fire, there was a cord of firewood.\n\n2318\n00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:23,920\nthe fire, there was a cord of firewood.\n \n\n2319\n00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,390\nthe fire, there was a cord of firewood.\nThe husband and wife got into a massive\n\n2320\n00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:26,400\nThe husband and wife got into a massive\n \n\n2321\n00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,870\nThe husband and wife got into a massive\nargument. They later divorced. Thank God\n\n2322\n00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:28,880\nargument. They later divorced. Thank God\n \n\n2323\n00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,670\nargument. They later divorced. Thank God\nshe won that argument. So, the husband\n\n2324\n00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:31,680\nshe won that argument. So, the husband\n \n\n2325\n00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,309\nshe won that argument. So, the husband\nmoved all that firewood out by the\n\n2326\n00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:34,319\nmoved all that firewood out by the\n \n\n2327\n00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:37,829\nmoved all that firewood out by the\npropane tank. Next, the uh which\n\n2328\n00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:37,839\npropane tank. Next, the uh which\n \n\n2329\n00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:40,309\npropane tank. Next, the uh which\nsurvived, by the way. Uh at the back\n\n2330\n00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:40,319\nsurvived, by the way. Uh at the back\n \n\n2331\n00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:43,670\nsurvived, by the way. Uh at the back\ndoor there, they had wicker furniture.\n\n2332\n00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:43,680\ndoor there, they had wicker furniture.\n \n\n2333\n00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,270\ndoor there, they had wicker furniture.\nThat wicker furniture ignited 8 foot\n\n2334\n00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:47,280\nThat wicker furniture ignited 8 foot\n \n\n2335\n00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,950\nThat wicker furniture ignited 8 foot\nflames.\n\n2336\n00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:48,960\nflames.\n \n\n2337\n00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,670\nflames.\nThe next door neighbor actually resisted\n\n2338\n00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:51,680\nThe next door neighbor actually resisted\n \n\n2339\n00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,069\nThe next door neighbor actually resisted\nthe evacuation order, saw the flames at\n\n2340\n00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:54,079\nthe evacuation order, saw the flames at\n \n\n2341\n00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,950\nthe evacuation order, saw the flames at\nthe back of the house, got CalFire over\n\n2342\n00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:56,960\nthe back of the house, got CalFire over\n \n\n2343\n00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,790\nthe back of the house, got CalFire over\nthere. They knocked down the door. They\n\n2344\n00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:58,800\nthere. They knocked down the door. They\n \n\n2345\n00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,230\nthere. They knocked down the door. They\nbroke out the drywall on the other side\n\n2346\n00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:02,240\nbroke out the drywall on the other side\n \n\n2347\n00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,790\nbroke out the drywall on the other side\nand saved the house. And yes,\n\n2348\n00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:04,800\nand saved the house. And yes,\n \n\n2349\n00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,630\nand saved the house. And yes,\narchitecturally, this house had done all\n\n2350\n00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:06,640\narchitecturally, this house had done all\n \n\n2351\n00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,030\narchitecturally, this house had done all\nthe right things. Boxed in ease, double\n\n2352\n00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:09,040\nthe right things. Boxed in ease, double\n \n\n2353\n00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,390\nthe right things. Boxed in ease, double\npane metal frame windows, a tile roof\n\n2354\n00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:12,400\npane metal frame windows, a tile roof\n \n\n2355\n00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,349\npane metal frame windows, a tile roof\nthat's plugged, screen vents, the whole\n\n2356\n00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:15,359\nthat's plugged, screen vents, the whole\n \n\n2357\n00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:18,470\nthat's plugged, screen vents, the whole\nthing. And that was a cedar fire. This\n\n2358\n00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:18,480\nthing. And that was a cedar fire. This\n \n\n2359\n00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,470\nthing. And that was a cedar fire. This\nwas a serious fire that came through\n\n2360\n00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:20,480\nwas a serious fire that came through\n \n\n2361\n00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,069\nwas a serious fire that came through\nhere.\n\n2362\n00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:22,079\nhere.\n \n\n2363\n00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:23,990\nhere.\nSo, look at all those natives burning\n\n2364\n00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:24,000\nSo, look at all those natives burning\n \n\n2365\n00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,349\nSo, look at all those natives burning\ndown the houses.\n\n2366\n00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:27,359\ndown the houses.\n \n\n2367\n00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:29,829\ndown the houses.\nThis is in 2007. This is in the rangeand\n\n2368\n00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:29,839\nThis is in 2007. This is in the rangeand\n \n\n2369\n00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:32,870\nThis is in 2007. This is in the rangeand\narea of Ramona. And that is a wild\n\n2370\n00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:32,880\narea of Ramona. And that is a wild\n \n\n2371\n00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,309\narea of Ramona. And that is a wild\ngrape. Uh hard to tell even a fire came\n\n2372\n00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:36,319\ngrape. Uh hard to tell even a fire came\n \n\n2373\n00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:37,910\ngrape. Uh hard to tell even a fire came\nthrough here except for that incinerated\n\n2374\n00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:37,920\nthrough here except for that incinerated\n \n\n2375\n00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,069\nthrough here except for that incinerated\nfus benjamina next to the back door of\n\n2376\n00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:40,079\nfus benjamina next to the back door of\n \n\n2377\n00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,069\nfus benjamina next to the back door of\nthe garage. And um I want you to notice\n\n2378\n00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:44,079\nthe garage. And um I want you to notice\n \n\n2379\n00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,270\nthe garage. And um I want you to notice\nthe overhead structure. It is masonry\n\n2380\n00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:47,280\nthe overhead structure. It is masonry\n \n\n2381\n00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,870\nthe overhead structure. It is masonry\nand steel. It is not wood. That's really\n\n2382\n00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:50,880\nand steel. It is not wood. That's really\n \n\n2383\n00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,309\nand steel. It is not wood. That's really\nan important uh feature to keep, you\n\n2384\n00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:54,319\nan important uh feature to keep, you\n \n\n2385\n00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:56,069\nan important uh feature to keep, you\nknow, from creating a fire ladder into\n\n2386\n00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:56,079\nknow, from creating a fire ladder into\n \n\n2387\n00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,390\nknow, from creating a fire ladder into\nthe house.\n\n2388\n00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:58,400\nthe house.\n \n\n2389\n00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,270\nthe house.\nAnd this is a really serendipitous\n\n2390\n00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:01,280\nAnd this is a really serendipitous\n \n\n2391\n00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,069\nAnd this is a really serendipitous\nillustration of relative hydration. So\n\n2392\n00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:04,079\nillustration of relative hydration. So\n \n\n2393\n00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,309\nillustration of relative hydration. So\nin other words, that black smudge was\n\n2394\n00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:06,319\nin other words, that black smudge was\n \n\n2395\n00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:09,510\nin other words, that black smudge was\nonce a ground cover rosemary.\n\n2396\n00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:09,520\nonce a ground cover rosemary.\n \n\n2397\n00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,710\nonce a ground cover rosemary.\nThe shrub next to it was a native\n\n2398\n00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:12,720\nThe shrub next to it was a native\n \n\n2399\n00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:17,109\nThe shrub next to it was a native\nbuckwheat that's blew in on the wind and\n\n2400\n00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:17,119\nbuckwheat that's blew in on the wind and\n \n\n2401\n00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,510\nbuckwheat that's blew in on the wind and\nwould typically be modeled as a fire\n\n2402\n00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:19,520\nwould typically be modeled as a fire\n \n\n2403\n00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,150\nwould typically be modeled as a fire\nbomb. Well, this shrub was being\n\n2404\n00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:22,160\nbomb. Well, this shrub was being\n \n\n2405\n00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,230\nbomb. Well, this shrub was being\nwatered. This shrub this slope was being\n\n2406\n00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:24,240\nwatered. This shrub this slope was being\n \n\n2407\n00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,190\nwatered. This shrub this slope was being\nwatered by the homeowner once every 14\n\n2408\n00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:27,200\nwatered by the homeowner once every 14\n \n\n2409\n00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,990\nwatered by the homeowner once every 14\ndays in summer. This is out in Ramona,\n\n2410\n00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:30,000\ndays in summer. This is out in Ramona,\n \n\n2411\n00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,430\ndays in summer. This is out in Ramona,\nwhich is east county, very hot.\n\n2412\n00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:33,440\nwhich is east county, very hot.\n \n\n2413\n00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:39,109\nwhich is east county, very hot.\nAnd clearly the rosemary is incinerated.\n\n2414\n00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:39,119\nAnd clearly the rosemary is incinerated.\n \n\n2415\n00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:40,870\nAnd clearly the rosemary is incinerated.\nThe native buckwheat still has green\n\n2416\n00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:40,880\nThe native buckwheat still has green\n \n\n2417\n00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,670\nThe native buckwheat still has green\nleaves on it. Okay.\n\n2418\n00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:43,680\nleaves on it. Okay.\n \n\n2419\n00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,309\nleaves on it. Okay.\nSo the hydration was not enough to\n\n2420\n00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:46,319\nSo the hydration was not enough to\n \n\n2421\n00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:48,150\nSo the hydration was not enough to\nsustain the rosemary, but clearly enough\n\n2422\n00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:48,160\nsustain the rosemary, but clearly enough\n \n\n2423\n00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,910\nsustain the rosemary, but clearly enough\nto sustain\n\n2424\n00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:49,920\nto sustain\n \n\n2425\n00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,309\nto sustain\nthe natural native vegetation right next\n\n2426\n00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:52,319\nthe natural native vegetation right next\n \n\n2427\n00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:56,069\nthe natural native vegetation right next\nto it. So\n\n2428\n00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:56,079\nto it. So\n \n\n2429\n00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,549\nto it. So\nyeah, and in this home now, again, I\n\n2430\n00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:58,559\nyeah, and in this home now, again, I\n \n\n2431\n00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,309\nyeah, and in this home now, again, I\nwouldn't put vegetation this close to a\n\n2432\n00:57:00,309 --> 00:57:00,319\nwouldn't put vegetation this close to a\n \n\n2433\n00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:03,510\nwouldn't put vegetation this close to a\nhouse, but because it was hydrated,\n\n2434\n00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:03,520\nhouse, but because it was hydrated,\n \n\n2435\n00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,549\nhouse, but because it was hydrated,\nit did not develop a lot of radiant\n\n2436\n00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:06,559\nit did not develop a lot of radiant\n \n\n2437\n00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,630\nit did not develop a lot of radiant\nheat. So if you look at the stucco, it's\n\n2438\n00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:08,640\nheat. So if you look at the stucco, it's\n \n\n2439\n00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,109\nheat. So if you look at the stucco, it's\ncompletely intact. It is not scorched.\n\n2440\n00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:11,119\ncompletely intact. It is not scorched.\n \n\n2441\n00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,430\ncompletely intact. It is not scorched.\nOkay, we saw this over and over again.\n\n2442\n00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:13,440\nOkay, we saw this over and over again.\n \n\n2443\n00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,309\nOkay, we saw this over and over again.\nThe natives on both sides of this person\n\n2444\n00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:16,319\nThe natives on both sides of this person\n \n\n2445\n00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:19,109\nThe natives on both sides of this person\nuh burned down,\n\n2446\n00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:19,119\nuh burned down,\n \n\n2447\n00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,270\nuh burned down,\nunfortunately. And this is the guy with\n\n2448\n00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:21,280\nunfortunately. And this is the guy with\n \n\n2449\n00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,109\nunfortunately. And this is the guy with\nthe apron at the back there in a very\n\n2450\n00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:23,119\nthe apron at the back there in a very\n \n\n2451\n00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,589\nthe apron at the back there in a very\nhot fire.\n\n2452\n00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:25,599\nhot fire.\n \n\n2453\n00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,109\nhot fire.\nThis is yet another one in rangeand and\n\n2454\n00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:29,119\nThis is yet another one in rangeand and\n \n\n2455\n00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:31,109\nThis is yet another one in rangeand and\nhydrated native vegetation. You can\n\n2456\n00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:31,119\nhydrated native vegetation. You can\n \n\n2457\n00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,829\nhydrated native vegetation. You can\nactually see the sprinkler head over\n\n2458\n00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:33,839\nactually see the sprinkler head over\n \n\n2459\n00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,549\nactually see the sprinkler head over\nhere on the right. Um\n\n2460\n00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:36,559\nhere on the right. Um\n \n\n2461\n00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,510\nhere on the right. Um\nagain did not develop enough heat and\n\n2462\n00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:39,520\nagain did not develop enough heat and\n \n\n2463\n00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,670\nagain did not develop enough heat and\nblocked enough embers and caught enough\n\n2464\n00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:41,680\nblocked enough embers and caught enough\n \n\n2465\n00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,109\nblocked enough embers and caught enough\nembers to not even burn that big giant\n\n2466\n00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:45,119\nembers to not even burn that big giant\n \n\n2467\n00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,030\nembers to not even burn that big giant\nredwood deck at the back of the house.\n\n2468\n00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:47,040\nredwood deck at the back of the house.\n \n\n2469\n00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,990\nredwood deck at the back of the house.\nWe didn't build that. But I also say\n\n2470\n00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:50,000\nWe didn't build that. But I also say\n \n\n2471\n00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,670\nWe didn't build that. But I also say\nstructurally\n\n2472\n00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:51,680\nstructurally\n \n\n2473\n00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,430\nstructurally\none of the things that helped save this\n\n2474\n00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:53,440\none of the things that helped save this\n \n\n2475\n00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,230\none of the things that helped save this\nhome also besides the hydrated\n\n2476\n00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:56,240\nhome also besides the hydrated\n \n\n2477\n00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,069\nhome also besides the hydrated\nvegetation\n\n2478\n00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:58,079\nvegetation\n \n\n2479\n00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:02,230\nvegetation\nwas the fascia boards are all Hardy\n\n2480\n00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:02,240\nwas the fascia boards are all Hardy\n \n\n2481\n00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,829\nwas the fascia boards are all Hardy\nboard.\n\n2482\n00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:03,839\nboard.\n \n\n2483\n00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:05,349\nboard.\nAnd another thing that's incredibly\n\n2484\n00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:05,359\nAnd another thing that's incredibly\n \n\n2485\n00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:07,510\nAnd another thing that's incredibly\nimportant is that canal levered part of\n\n2486\n00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:07,520\nimportant is that canal levered part of\n \n\n2487\n00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,309\nimportant is that canal levered part of\nthe deck is also closed off with hardy\n\n2488\n00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:12,319\nthe deck is also closed off with hardy\n \n\n2489\n00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:15,349\nthe deck is also closed off with hardy\nboard. That's so supremely important.\n\n2490\n00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:15,359\nboard. That's so supremely important.\n \n\n2491\n00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:16,870\nboard. That's so supremely important.\nYou don't want that fire getting up\n\n2492\n00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:16,880\nYou don't want that fire getting up\n \n\n2493\n00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,549\nYou don't want that fire getting up\nunderneath the deck. Okay. So, there's a\n\n2494\n00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:20,559\nunderneath the deck. Okay. So, there's a\n \n\n2495\n00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:22,630\nunderneath the deck. Okay. So, there's a\nlittle bit of damage from random embers\n\n2496\n00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:22,640\nlittle bit of damage from random embers\n \n\n2497\n00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,950\nlittle bit of damage from random embers\nthat came in they put out. But again,\n\n2498\n00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:24,960\nthat came in they put out. But again,\n \n\n2499\n00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,470\nthat came in they put out. But again,\nthis also created a completely\n\n2500\n00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:26,480\nthis also created a completely\n \n\n2501\n00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,470\nthis also created a completely\ndefensible area for the firefighters to\n\n2502\n00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:28,480\ndefensible area for the firefighters to\n \n\n2503\n00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,789\ndefensible area for the firefighters to\ncome in and fight the fire. A lot of\n\n2504\n00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:30,799\ncome in and fight the fire. A lot of\n \n\n2505\n00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:32,950\ncome in and fight the fire. A lot of\nthem is this green belt idea and\n\n2506\n00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:32,960\nthem is this green belt idea and\n \n\n2507\n00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,910\nthem is this green belt idea and\neverything. It's really to slow the fire\n\n2508\n00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:35,920\neverything. It's really to slow the fire\n \n\n2509\n00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,430\neverything. It's really to slow the fire\ndown and allow firefighters to set up a\n\n2510\n00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:39,440\ndown and allow firefighters to set up a\n \n\n2511\n00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,870\ndown and allow firefighters to set up a\nperimeter and and fight the fire safely\n\n2512\n00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:42,880\nperimeter and and fight the fire safely\n \n\n2513\n00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,030\nperimeter and and fight the fire safely\nat the edge of the community. These\n\n2514\n00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:45,040\nat the edge of the community. These\n \n\n2515\n00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,750\nat the edge of the community. These\npeople don't have zone 2 to work with.\n\n2516\n00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:47,760\npeople don't have zone 2 to work with.\n \n\n2517\n00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,349\npeople don't have zone 2 to work with.\nAnd one other thing I want to point out\n\n2518\n00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:49,359\nAnd one other thing I want to point out\n \n\n2519\n00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:51,670\nAnd one other thing I want to point out\nis the goat pin at the base of the slope\n\n2520\n00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:51,680\nis the goat pin at the base of the slope\n \n\n2521\n00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,390\nis the goat pin at the base of the slope\nhere. This thing went all the way out 60\n\n2522\n00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:54,400\nhere. This thing went all the way out 60\n \n\n2523\n00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,829\nhere. This thing went all the way out 60\n80 feet and it certainly didn't slow\n\n2524\n00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:57,839\n80 feet and it certainly didn't slow\n \n\n2525\n00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:02,470\n80 feet and it certainly didn't slow\nthat fire. Um so you know these these\n\n2526\n00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:02,480\nthat fire. Um so you know these these\n \n\n2527\n00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,230\nthat fire. Um so you know these these\nnonveated zones don't do anything\n\n2528\n00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:06,240\nnonveated zones don't do anything\n \n\n2529\n00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,950\nnonveated zones don't do anything\nother than like this platform up here\n\n2530\n00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:08,960\nother than like this platform up here\n \n\n2531\n00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,710\nother than like this platform up here\nproviding a place to fight the fire\n\n2532\n00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:10,720\nproviding a place to fight the fire\n \n\n2533\n00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,309\nproviding a place to fight the fire\nfrom. Okay.\n\n2534\n00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:14,319\nfrom. Okay.\n \n\n2535\n00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:17,030\nfrom. Okay.\nBut here's the same property three years\n\n2536\n00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:17,040\nBut here's the same property three years\n \n\n2537\n00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,349\nBut here's the same property three years\nlater. And this would have been a per\n\n2538\n00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:19,359\nlater. And this would have been a per\n \n\n2539\n00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:21,270\nlater. And this would have been a per\nthis is the perfect before or after\n\n2540\n00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:21,280\nthis is the perfect before or after\n \n\n2541\n00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,109\nthis is the perfect before or after\npicture. That's how it looked. That's\n\n2542\n00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:23,119\npicture. That's how it looked. That's\n \n\n2543\n00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,150\npicture. That's how it looked. That's\nhow it was. It completely recovered.\n\n2544\n00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:26,160\nhow it was. It completely recovered.\n \n\n2545\n00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,670\nhow it was. It completely recovered.\nNone of the plants were lost. They're\n\n2546\n00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:27,680\nNone of the plants were lost. They're\n \n\n2547\n00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,510\nNone of the plants were lost. They're\nall happy and healthy and hydrated and\n\n2548\n00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:29,520\nall happy and healthy and hydrated and\n \n\n2549\n00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,670\nall happy and healthy and hydrated and\ndoing their job.\n\n2550\n00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:31,680\ndoing their job.\n \n\n2551\n00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,109\ndoing their job.\nAnd I don't think it looks too ugly.\n\n2552\n00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:35,119\nAnd I don't think it looks too ugly.\n \n\n2553\n00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,589\nAnd I don't think it looks too ugly.\nLittle birds and butterflies. This is a\n\n2554\n00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:37,599\nLittle birds and butterflies. This is a\n \n\n2555\n00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,230\nLittle birds and butterflies. This is a\nfun one. This is in the Harris fire.\n\n2556\n00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:40,240\nfun one. This is in the Harris fire.\n \n\n2557\n00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,069\nfun one. This is in the Harris fire.\nThis was also 2007. That's Lion's Peak\n\n2558\n00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:44,079\nThis was also 2007. That's Lion's Peak\n \n\n2559\n00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,789\nThis was also 2007. That's Lion's Peak\nin the background there.\n\n2560\n00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:46,799\nin the background there.\n \n\n2561\n00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:49,349\nin the background there.\nSo, the HA Harris fire actually hit this\n\n2562\n00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:49,359\nSo, the HA Harris fire actually hit this\n \n\n2563\n00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:53,109\nSo, the HA Harris fire actually hit this\nproperty. It bifurcated, went around the\n\n2564\n00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:53,119\nproperty. It bifurcated, went around the\n \n\n2565\n00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:55,910\nproperty. It bifurcated, went around the\nedges,\n\n2566\n00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:55,920\nedges,\n \n\n2567\n00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,549\nedges,\nuh, reconnected, and then went straight\n\n2568\n00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:58,559\nuh, reconnected, and then went straight\n \n\n2569\n00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:00,150\nuh, reconnected, and then went straight\nup Lion's Peak, and there's a very\n\n2570\n01:00:00,150 --> 01:00:00,160\nup Lion's Peak, and there's a very\n \n\n2571\n01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,390\nup Lion's Peak, and there's a very\nfamous video of it burning down the fire\n\n2572\n01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:02,400\nfamous video of it burning down the fire\n \n\n2573\n01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,670\nfamous video of it burning down the fire\ntower on top of there. All right, this\n\n2574\n01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:05,680\ntower on top of there. All right, this\n \n\n2575\n01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,870\ntower on top of there. All right, this\nfire did not encroach into the in the\n\n2576\n01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:08,880\nfire did not encroach into the in the\n \n\n2577\n01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,789\nfire did not encroach into the in the\nleast into this landscape because it was\n\n2578\n01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:10,799\nleast into this landscape because it was\n \n\n2579\n01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:14,150\nleast into this landscape because it was\nhydrated. It didn't even um it didn't\n\n2580\n01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:14,160\nhydrated. It didn't even um it didn't\n \n\n2581\n01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,309\nhydrated. It didn't even um it didn't\neven uh burn the mulch. Okay, here's in\n\n2582\n01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:18,319\neven uh burn the mulch. Okay, here's in\n \n\n2583\n01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:20,630\neven uh burn the mulch. Okay, here's in\nthe front yard, you know, $100,000 solar\n\n2584\n01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:20,640\nthe front yard, you know, $100,000 solar\n \n\n2585\n01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,630\nthe front yard, you know, $100,000 solar\narray about 6 to 10 ft of hydrated\n\n2586\n01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:24,640\narray about 6 to 10 ft of hydrated\n \n\n2587\n01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,190\narray about 6 to 10 ft of hydrated\nnative vegetation and then the\n\n2588\n01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:27,200\nnative vegetation and then the\n \n\n2589\n01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,150\nnative vegetation and then the\nunmodified natural chaperel beyond.\n\n2590\n01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:30,160\nunmodified natural chaperel beyond.\n \n\n2591\n01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,549\nunmodified natural chaperel beyond.\nOkay, so it literally went along the\n\n2592\n01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:32,559\nOkay, so it literally went along the\n \n\n2593\n01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,670\nOkay, so it literally went along the\nedges on both sides of this property and\n\n2594\n01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:35,680\nedges on both sides of this property and\n \n\n2595\n01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,309\nedges on both sides of this property and\nthen re rejoined up and went up Lion's\n\n2596\n01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:38,319\nthen re rejoined up and went up Lion's\n \n\n2597\n01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:41,510\nthen re rejoined up and went up Lion's\nPeak. So, I mean, it doesn't get any\n\n2598\n01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:41,520\nPeak. So, I mean, it doesn't get any\n \n\n2599\n01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,710\nPeak. So, I mean, it doesn't get any\nstarker than this. I had two properties\n\n2600\n01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:44,720\nstarker than this. I had two properties\n \n\n2601\n01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,670\nstarker than this. I had two properties\nin this fire and both those homeowners\n\n2602\n01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:49,680\nin this fire and both those homeowners\n \n\n2603\n01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,789\nin this fire and both those homeowners\ncalled me the next day and said, \"Ruben,\n\n2604\n01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:52,799\ncalled me the next day and said, \"Ruben,\n \n\n2605\n01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:57,030\ncalled me the next day and said, \"Ruben,\nyour landscape saved my house.\"\n\n2606\n01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:57,040\nyour landscape saved my house.\"\n \n\n2607\n01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,950\nyour landscape saved my house.\"\nThat's a good call to get, let me tell\n\n2608\n01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:58,960\nThat's a good call to get, let me tell\n \n\n2609\n01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,789\nThat's a good call to get, let me tell\nyou.\n\n2610\n01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:02,799\n\n \n\n2611\n01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:04,870\n\nOkay, so now we come to modern times.\n\n2612\n01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:04,880\nOkay, so now we come to modern times.\n \n\n2613\n01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,109\nOkay, so now we come to modern times.\nThis is about two months ago.\n\n2614\n01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:09,119\nThis is about two months ago.\n \n\n2615\n01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,150\nThis is about two months ago.\nAnd this homeowner\n\n2616\n01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:12,160\nAnd this homeowner\n \n\n2617\n01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,309\nAnd this homeowner\nwas using a flame torch to kill weeds\n\n2618\n01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:16,319\nwas using a flame torch to kill weeds\n \n\n2619\n01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:21,670\nwas using a flame torch to kill weeds\nbecause she didn't want to use Roundup.\n\n2620\n01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:21,680\nbecause she didn't want to use Roundup.\n \n\n2621\n01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,870\nbecause she didn't want to use Roundup.\nUm, that's a whole another presentation.\n\n2622\n01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:24,880\nUm, that's a whole another presentation.\n \n\n2623\n01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,030\nUm, that's a whole another presentation.\nAnyway, so I accidentally caught the\n\n2624\n01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:27,040\nAnyway, so I accidentally caught the\n \n\n2625\n01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,510\nAnyway, so I accidentally caught the\nmulch on fire.\n\n2626\n01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:29,520\nmulch on fire.\n \n\n2627\n01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,750\nmulch on fire.\nIt just smoldered. She She didn't even\n\n2628\n01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:31,760\nIt just smoldered. She She didn't even\n \n\n2629\n01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,270\nIt just smoldered. She She didn't even\nrealize it. She saw it. She goes,\n\n2630\n01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:33,280\nrealize it. She saw it. She goes,\n \n\n2631\n01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,190\nrealize it. She saw it. She goes,\n\"Greg,\" she couldn't wait to call me.\n\n2632\n01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:35,200\n\"Greg,\" she couldn't wait to call me.\n \n\n2633\n01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,470\n\"Greg,\" she couldn't wait to call me.\nGreg, the mulch acted exactly like you\n\n2634\n01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:38,480\nGreg, the mulch acted exactly like you\n \n\n2635\n01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,309\nGreg, the mulch acted exactly like you\nsaid it would. It just went out and it\n\n2636\n01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:42,319\nsaid it would. It just went out and it\n \n\n2637\n01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:43,670\nsaid it would. It just went out and it\nwas just like that fire marshall in\n\n2638\n01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:43,680\nwas just like that fire marshall in\n \n\n2639\n01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,990\nwas just like that fire marshall in\nIncinus when he tested the mulch for you\n\n2640\n01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:46,000\nIncinus when he tested the mulch for you\n \n\n2641\n01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,309\nIncinus when he tested the mulch for you\nand it and it couldn't sustain flame. I\n\n2642\n01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:48,319\nand it and it couldn't sustain flame. I\n \n\n2643\n01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:51,510\nand it and it couldn't sustain flame. I\nsaid, \"Yeah, but Christine\n\n2644\n01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:51,520\nsaid, \"Yeah, but Christine\n \n\n2645\n01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,150\nsaid, \"Yeah, but Christine\nChristy, you didn't it didn't go out,\n\n2646\n01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:54,160\nChristy, you didn't it didn't go out,\n \n\n2647\n01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,710\nChristy, you didn't it didn't go out,\ndid it?\" \"Oh, no. I didn't see any\n\n2648\n01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:56,720\ndid it?\" \"Oh, no. I didn't see any\n \n\n2649\n01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,069\ndid it?\" \"Oh, no. I didn't see any\nflames.\" I said, \"Yeah, but you know,\n\n2650\n01:02:00,069 --> 01:02:00,079\nflames.\" I said, \"Yeah, but you know,\n \n\n2651\n01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:01,589\nflames.\" I said, \"Yeah, but you know,\nyou need you need to put at least some\n\n2652\n01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:01,599\nyou need you need to put at least some\n \n\n2653\n01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,750\nyou need you need to put at least some\nwater on it or at least rake it away the\n\n2654\n01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:03,760\nwater on it or at least rake it away the\n \n\n2655\n01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,430\nwater on it or at least rake it away the\nflame front away from the rest of the\n\n2656\n01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:05,440\nflame front away from the rest of the\n \n\n2657\n01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,789\nflame front away from the rest of the\nmulch.\" But anyway, the bottom line\n\n2658\n01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:08,799\nmulch.\" But anyway, the bottom line\n \n\n2659\n01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:10,150\nmulch.\" But anyway, the bottom line\nthough is that this thing sort of\n\n2660\n01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:10,160\nthough is that this thing sort of\n \n\n2661\n01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,750\nthough is that this thing sort of\nsmoldered with a very low flame height.\n\n2662\n01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:11,760\nsmoldered with a very low flame height.\n \n\n2663\n01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,950\nsmoldered with a very low flame height.\nDidn't burn all the mulch. Uh singed the\n\n2664\n01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:14,960\nDidn't burn all the mulch. Uh singed the\n \n\n2665\n01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,190\nDidn't burn all the mulch. Uh singed the\nplants and the plants are fine. even\n\n2666\n01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:17,200\nplants and the plants are fine. even\n \n\n2667\n01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,710\nplants and the plants are fine. even\nsinged the bottom of the macadamia tree\n\n2668\n01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:20,720\nsinged the bottom of the macadamia tree\n \n\n2669\n01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,630\nsinged the bottom of the macadamia tree\nat the top of the slope and that at that\n\n2670\n01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:22,640\nat the top of the slope and that at that\n \n\n2671\n01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,390\nat the top of the slope and that at that\npoint it's burning leaves that help\n\n2672\n01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:24,400\npoint it's burning leaves that help\n \n\n2673\n01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,829\npoint it's burning leaves that help\nignite and then it hit the avocado tree\n\n2674\n01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:27,839\nignite and then it hit the avocado tree\n \n\n2675\n01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:31,270\nignite and then it hit the avocado tree\nat the upper right and uh that's that's\n\n2676\n01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:31,280\nat the upper right and uh that's that's\n \n\n2677\n01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,630\nat the upper right and uh that's that's\nwhen the fire department showed up. Um,\n\n2678\n01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:34,640\nwhen the fire department showed up. Um,\n \n\n2679\n01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,750\nwhen the fire department showed up. Um,\nand\n\n2680\n01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:37,760\n\n \n\n2681\n01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,430\n\navocado leaves are one of the worst\n\n2682\n01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:39,440\navocado leaves are one of the worst\n \n\n2683\n01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,829\navocado leaves are one of the worst\nactors in fires.\n\n2684\n01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:41,839\nactors in fires.\n \n\n2685\n01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:45,030\nactors in fires.\nAnd these trees don't really know how to\n\n2686\n01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:45,040\nAnd these trees don't really know how to\n \n\n2687\n01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,670\nAnd these trees don't really know how to\nhold on to moisture like natives do. So,\n\n2688\n01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:47,680\nhold on to moisture like natives do. So,\n \n\n2689\n01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,470\nhold on to moisture like natives do. So,\nthey boil off. Actually, this thing is\n\n2690\n01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:50,480\nthey boil off. Actually, this thing is\n \n\n2691\n01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,950\nthey boil off. Actually, this thing is\ncoming back now, but they avocados are\n\n2692\n01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:54,960\ncoming back now, but they avocados are\n \n\n2693\n01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,670\ncoming back now, but they avocados are\nnot fire resistant, let me tell you. But\n\n2694\n01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:57,680\nnot fire resistant, let me tell you. But\n \n\n2695\n01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,589\nnot fire resistant, let me tell you. But\nI want you to notice the manzanita right\n\n2696\n01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:59,599\nI want you to notice the manzanita right\n \n\n2697\n01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:03,270\nI want you to notice the manzanita right\nnext to the to the right of the avocado\n\n2698\n01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:03,280\nnext to the to the right of the avocado\n \n\n2699\n01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,750\nnext to the to the right of the avocado\nhas singed and scorched, but it did not\n\n2700\n01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:05,760\nhas singed and scorched, but it did not\n \n\n2701\n01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,630\nhas singed and scorched, but it did not\nburn. It is absolutely fine. And in\n\n2702\n01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:08,640\nburn. It is absolutely fine. And in\n \n\n2703\n01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,630\nburn. It is absolutely fine. And in\nfact, that area is getting covered in\n\n2704\n01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:10,640\nfact, that area is getting covered in\n \n\n2705\n01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,990\nfact, that area is getting covered in\ngreen leaves again.\n\n2706\n01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:14,000\ngreen leaves again.\n \n\n2707\n01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,069\ngreen leaves again.\nAll right, guys. I told you I'd talk\n\n2708\n01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:16,079\nAll right, guys. I told you I'd talk\n \n\n2709\n01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,829\nAll right, guys. I told you I'd talk\nabout what these people that cleared for\n\n2710\n01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:19,839\nabout what these people that cleared for\n \n\n2711\n01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:21,990\nabout what these people that cleared for\ntwo to 300 ft, what their outcome was,\n\n2712\n01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:22,000\ntwo to 300 ft, what their outcome was,\n \n\n2713\n01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,549\ntwo to 300 ft, what their outcome was,\nand it's not pretty.\n\n2714\n01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:24,559\nand it's not pretty.\n \n\n2715\n01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,150\nand it's not pretty.\nSo, you can clearly see it was cleared\n\n2716\n01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:26,160\nSo, you can clearly see it was cleared\n \n\n2717\n01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,470\nSo, you can clearly see it was cleared\nbefore the fire because there's no ash,\n\n2718\n01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:28,480\nbefore the fire because there's no ash,\n \n\n2719\n01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,870\nbefore the fire because there's no ash,\nright? And um they absolutely destroyed\n\n2720\n01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:32,880\nright? And um they absolutely destroyed\n \n\n2721\n01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,029\nright? And um they absolutely destroyed\npristine, gorgeous chapel to do this.\n\n2722\n01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:37,039\npristine, gorgeous chapel to do this.\n \n\n2723\n01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:38,710\npristine, gorgeous chapel to do this.\nI'm sure the insurance company was\n\n2724\n01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:38,720\nI'm sure the insurance company was\n \n\n2725\n01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,230\nI'm sure the insurance company was\npleased.\n\n2726\n01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:40,240\npleased.\n \n\n2727\n01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,069\npleased.\nUh and it's a pile of rubble with a\n\n2728\n01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:42,079\nUh and it's a pile of rubble with a\n \n\n2729\n01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,950\nUh and it's a pile of rubble with a\nchimney and some completely unburned\n\n2730\n01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:44,960\nchimney and some completely unburned\n \n\n2731\n01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,349\nchimney and some completely unburned\nqueen palms around it that are like\n\n2732\n01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:47,359\nqueen palms around it that are like\n \n\n2733\n01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:51,029\nqueen palms around it that are like\npencils and do nothing to block flames.\n\n2734\n01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:51,039\npencils and do nothing to block flames.\n \n\n2735\n01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:52,549\npencils and do nothing to block flames.\nOkay.\n\n2736\n01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:52,559\nOkay.\n \n\n2737\n01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,950\nOkay.\nAnd this poor guy, you know, I mean,\n\n2738\n01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:54,960\nAnd this poor guy, you know, I mean,\n \n\n2739\n01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,430\nAnd this poor guy, you know, I mean,\nincinerated right\n\n2740\n01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:57,440\nincinerated right\n \n\n2741\n01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,750\nincinerated right\nhere. These people, they did everything\n\n2742\n01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:59,760\nhere. These people, they did everything\n \n\n2743\n01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,829\nhere. These people, they did everything\nright. They cleared two, 300 feet around\n\n2744\n01:04:01,829 --> 01:04:01,839\nright. They cleared two, 300 feet around\n \n\n2745\n01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:04,390\nright. They cleared two, 300 feet around\nthese homes. And the fire came from the\n\n2746\n01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:04,400\nthese homes. And the fire came from the\n \n\n2747\n01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,230\nthese homes. And the fire came from the\ndirection that the photograph is being\n\n2748\n01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:06,240\ndirection that the photograph is being\n \n\n2749\n01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,430\ndirection that the photograph is being\ntaken, not from that canyon.\n\n2750\n01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:09,440\ntaken, not from that canyon.\n \n\n2751\n01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,789\ntaken, not from that canyon.\nAnd gone, even with green lawns and\n\n2752\n01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:12,799\nAnd gone, even with green lawns and\n \n\n2753\n01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:15,109\nAnd gone, even with green lawns and\ngreen vegetation again. Again, we've\n\n2754\n01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:15,119\ngreen vegetation again. Again, we've\n \n\n2755\n01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,349\ngreen vegetation again. Again, we've\nseen it over and over and over and over\n\n2756\n01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:17,359\nseen it over and over and over and over\n \n\n2757\n01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:20,630\nseen it over and over and over and over\nagain. And things go listening now.\n\n2758\n01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:20,640\nagain. And things go listening now.\n \n\n2759\n01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,069\nagain. And things go listening now.\nThank god people are starting to get it.\n\n2760\n01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:24,079\nThank god people are starting to get it.\n \n\n2761\n01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,549\nThank god people are starting to get it.\nI just wanted to have a nice interlude\n\n2762\n01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:26,559\nI just wanted to have a nice interlude\n \n\n2763\n01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,150\nI just wanted to have a nice interlude\nhere of what some of these fireresistant\n\n2764\n01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:28,160\nhere of what some of these fireresistant\n \n\n2765\n01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,109\nhere of what some of these fireresistant\nlandscapes actually look like. Um this\n\n2766\n01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:31,119\nlandscapes actually look like. Um this\n \n\n2767\n01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,829\nlandscapes actually look like. Um this\nis a couple pictures from La Hoya. I\n\n2768\n01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:33,839\nis a couple pictures from La Hoya. I\n \n\n2769\n01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:35,109\nis a couple pictures from La Hoya. I\nmean they're gorgeous, right? If you\n\n2770\n01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:35,119\nmean they're gorgeous, right? If you\n \n\n2771\n01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:41,829\nmean they're gorgeous, right? If you\ndesign them right.\n\n2772\n01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:41,839\n\n \n\n2773\n01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:42,950\n\nYeah. The only thing I'd be worried\n\n2774\n01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:42,960\nYeah. The only thing I'd be worried\n \n\n2775\n01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,789\nYeah. The only thing I'd be worried\nabout in this photo is that eucalyptus\n\n2776\n01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:44,799\nabout in this photo is that eucalyptus\n \n\n2777\n01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:47,029\nabout in this photo is that eucalyptus\nright there. But but even if the\n\n2778\n01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:47,039\nright there. But but even if the\n \n\n2779\n01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,430\nright there. But but even if the\neucalyptus is there, if it's hydrated,\n\n2780\n01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:49,440\neucalyptus is there, if it's hydrated,\n \n\n2781\n01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,029\neucalyptus is there, if it's hydrated,\nit's been pruned up like this one has\n\n2782\n01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:51,039\nit's been pruned up like this one has\n \n\n2783\n01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:52,950\nit's been pruned up like this one has\nand they're not allowing the problem is\n\n2784\n01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:52,960\nand they're not allowing the problem is\n \n\n2785\n01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,390\nand they're not allowing the problem is\nall the debris, right, that collects\n\n2786\n01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:54,400\nall the debris, right, that collects\n \n\n2787\n01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,510\nall the debris, right, that collects\nunder that oily, dusty, dirty, dried out\n\n2788\n01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:57,520\nunder that oily, dusty, dirty, dried out\n \n\n2789\n01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,309\nunder that oily, dusty, dirty, dried out\ndebris. That's where that's what causes\n\n2790\n01:05:00,309 --> 01:05:00,319\ndebris. That's where that's what causes\n \n\n2791\n01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:04,710\ndebris. That's where that's what causes\nthe dwell times causes the fire ladders.\n\n2792\n01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:04,720\nthe dwell times causes the fire ladders.\n \n\n2793\n01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,510\nthe dwell times causes the fire ladders.\nOkay. So, I'm going to finish up here\n\n2794\n01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:07,520\nOkay. So, I'm going to finish up here\n \n\n2795\n01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,309\nOkay. So, I'm going to finish up here\njust with a a discussion of at postfire,\n\n2796\n01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:10,319\njust with a a discussion of at postfire,\n \n\n2797\n01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:12,950\njust with a a discussion of at postfire,\nwhat to do. A lot of people in Aladena\n\n2798\n01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:12,960\nwhat to do. A lot of people in Aladena\n \n\n2799\n01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,150\nwhat to do. A lot of people in Aladena\nand Palisades had this situation where\n\n2800\n01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:16,160\nand Palisades had this situation where\n \n\n2801\n01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,069\nand Palisades had this situation where\nthere's goalies coming down from the\n\n2802\n01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:18,079\nthere's goalies coming down from the\n \n\n2803\n01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:19,670\nthere's goalies coming down from the\nhills\n\n2804\n01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:19,680\nhills\n \n\n2805\n01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,470\nhills\nand a lot of people would say, \"Well,\n\n2806\n01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:22,480\nand a lot of people would say, \"Well,\n \n\n2807\n01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,950\nand a lot of people would say, \"Well,\nlet's let's plant ry grass there.\"\n\n2808\n01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:24,960\nlet's let's plant ry grass there.\"\n \n\n2809\n01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,789\nlet's let's plant ry grass there.\"\nRyrass is the worst possible thing you\n\n2810\n01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:26,799\nRyrass is the worst possible thing you\n \n\n2811\n01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:28,950\nRyrass is the worst possible thing you\ncould ever do. It completely knock out\n\n2812\n01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:28,960\ncould ever do. It completely knock out\n \n\n2813\n01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,349\ncould ever do. It completely knock out\nthe natural ecology and you'll have\n\n2814\n01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:31,359\nthe natural ecology and you'll have\n \n\n2815\n01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:34,870\nthe natural ecology and you'll have\nhorrible erosion and weeds and fire. Oh\n\n2816\n01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:34,880\nhorrible erosion and weeds and fire. Oh\n \n\n2817\n01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,670\nhorrible erosion and weeds and fire. Oh\nmy gosh. So, what do you do? Well, you\n\n2818\n01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:37,680\nmy gosh. So, what do you do? Well, you\n \n\n2819\n01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,589\nmy gosh. So, what do you do? Well, you\nget some Tposts\n\n2820\n01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:39,599\nget some Tposts\n \n\n2821\n01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:41,990\nget some Tposts\nand you stick them in across the goalie\n\n2822\n01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:42,000\nand you stick them in across the goalie\n \n\n2823\n01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,910\nand you stick them in across the goalie\ndepend on the um the grade of that\n\n2824\n01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:45,920\ndepend on the um the grade of that\n \n\n2825\n01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,109\ndepend on the um the grade of that\ngoalie maybe every 20 to 40 ft. And then\n\n2826\n01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:49,119\ngoalie maybe every 20 to 40 ft. And then\n \n\n2827\n01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,910\ngoalie maybe every 20 to 40 ft. And then\nyou take those dead burnt branches and\n\n2828\n01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:51,920\nyou take those dead burnt branches and\n \n\n2829\n01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,230\nyou take those dead burnt branches and\nyou weave them in between, but you leave\n\n2830\n01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:54,240\nyou weave them in between, but you leave\n \n\n2831\n01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,950\nyou weave them in between, but you leave\nenough space to let water come through\n\n2832\n01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:56,960\nenough space to let water come through\n \n\n2833\n01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,349\nenough space to let water come through\nbut hold back the debris. That is a\n\n2834\n01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:59,359\nbut hold back the debris. That is a\n \n\n2835\n01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:01,510\nbut hold back the debris. That is a\ndebris dam. Extremely effective\n\n2836\n01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:01,520\ndebris dam. Extremely effective\n \n\n2837\n01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,910\ndebris dam. Extremely effective\npostfire. Most of what comes down is\n\n2838\n01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:03,920\npostfire. Most of what comes down is\n \n\n2839\n01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,950\npostfire. Most of what comes down is\nactually organic. they can be if the\n\n2840\n01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:06,960\nactually organic. they can be if the\n \n\n2841\n01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,549\nactually organic. they can be if the\nsite was healthy\n\n2842\n01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:10,559\nsite was healthy\n \n\n2843\n01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:12,950\nsite was healthy\nuh native ecology before very little of\n\n2844\n01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:12,960\nuh native ecology before very little of\n \n\n2845\n01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,630\nuh native ecology before very little of\nthat comes down very little of that dirt\n\n2846\n01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:14,640\nthat comes down very little of that dirt\n \n\n2847\n01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,829\nthat comes down very little of that dirt\ncomes down but if it's was weedy and\n\n2848\n01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:17,839\ncomes down but if it's was weedy and\n \n\n2849\n01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:19,750\ncomes down but if it's was weedy and\nnasty there's nothing to hold that soil\n\n2850\n01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:19,760\nnasty there's nothing to hold that soil\n \n\n2851\n01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,670\nnasty there's nothing to hold that soil\nand you'll often see a lot of uh debris\n\n2852\n01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:23,680\nand you'll often see a lot of uh debris\n \n\n2853\n01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,710\nand you'll often see a lot of uh debris\ncoming down in those situations\n\n2854\n01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:26,720\ncoming down in those situations\n \n\n2855\n01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,190\ncoming down in those situations\num there are fungal partners in the soil\n\n2856\n01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:29,200\num there are fungal partners in the soil\n \n\n2857\n01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,309\num there are fungal partners in the soil\nI won't elaborate but they completely\n\n2858\n01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:32,319\nI won't elaborate but they completely\n \n\n2859\n01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:34,950\nI won't elaborate but they completely\npermeate the upper 3 ft of soil and glue\n\n2860\n01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:34,960\npermeate the upper 3 ft of soil and glue\n \n\n2861\n01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,750\npermeate the upper 3 ft of soil and glue\nit together. And those fungal partners\n\n2862\n01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:37,760\nit together. And those fungal partners\n \n\n2863\n01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,789\nit together. And those fungal partners\nare what really stabilize soils on a\n\n2864\n01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:40,799\nare what really stabilize soils on a\n \n\n2865\n01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:44,390\nare what really stabilize soils on a\nmacro scale. And it is absent in weedy\n\n2866\n01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:44,400\nmacro scale. And it is absent in weedy\n \n\n2867\n01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,789\nmacro scale. And it is absent in weedy\nareas.\n\n2868\n01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:46,799\nareas.\n \n\n2869\n01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:49,829\nareas.\nOkay, here's another thing. Don't seed\n\n2870\n01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:49,839\nOkay, here's another thing. Don't seed\n \n\n2871\n01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:52,470\nOkay, here's another thing. Don't seed\nafter fire. Duncan Hunter down here in\n\n2872\n01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:52,480\nafter fire. Duncan Hunter down here in\n \n\n2873\n01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,309\nafter fire. Duncan Hunter down here in\nSan Diego, I got in a huge fight with\n\n2874\n01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:54,319\nSan Diego, I got in a huge fight with\n \n\n2875\n01:06:54,319 --> 01:06:56,950\nSan Diego, I got in a huge fight with\nhim because he wanted to bring in 20,000\n\n2876\n01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:56,960\nhim because he wanted to bring in 20,000\n \n\n2877\n01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,029\nhim because he wanted to bring in 20,000\npounds of ryrass seed. The absolutely\n\n2878\n01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:59,039\npounds of ryrass seed. The absolutely\n \n\n2879\n01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,750\npounds of ryrass seed. The absolutely\nmost ilopathic, deadly native you could\n\n2880\n01:07:01,750 --> 01:07:01,760\nmost ilopathic, deadly native you could\n \n\n2881\n01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,390\nmost ilopathic, deadly native you could\nplant to native ecology. Well, they came\n\n2882\n01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:04,400\nplant to native ecology. Well, they came\n \n\n2883\n01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,910\nplant to native ecology. Well, they came\nin and seated aerial seated these strips\n\n2884\n01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:07,920\nin and seated aerial seated these strips\n \n\n2885\n01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,549\nin and seated aerial seated these strips\nin this is outside of St. Louis Abyispo\n\n2886\n01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:10,559\nin this is outside of St. Louis Abyispo\n \n\n2887\n01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,349\nin this is outside of St. Louis Abyispo\nQuest grade and I understand that to\n\n2888\n01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:13,359\nQuest grade and I understand that to\n \n\n2889\n01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:15,349\nQuest grade and I understand that to\nthis day\n\n2890\n01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:15,359\nthis day\n \n\n2891\n01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:18,470\nthis day\nthose banks those bands are still\n\n2892\n01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:18,480\nthose banks those bands are still\n \n\n2893\n01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,270\nthose banks those bands are still\nvisible. The native Madrron oak\n\n2894\n01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:23,280\nvisible. The native Madrron oak\n \n\n2895\n01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,910\nvisible. The native Madrron oak\nmanzanita woodland did not ever\n\n2896\n01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:25,920\nmanzanita woodland did not ever\n \n\n2897\n01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,069\nmanzanita woodland did not ever\nrecolonize those areas where they had\n\n2898\n01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:28,079\nrecolonize those areas where they had\n \n\n2899\n01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:34,390\nrecolonize those areas where they had\nplanted grass. Okay.\n\n2900\n01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:34,400\n\n \n\n2901\n01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,349\n\nAnd down here uh down San Diego, this is\n\n2902\n01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:37,359\nAnd down here uh down San Diego, this is\n \n\n2903\n01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:40,150\nAnd down here uh down San Diego, this is\nthis is sort of uh West Escandido here\n\n2904\n01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:40,160\nthis is sort of uh West Escandido here\n \n\n2905\n01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,430\nthis is sort of uh West Escandido here\nor Lake Hajes. In spring, everybody runs\n\n2906\n01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:43,440\nor Lake Hajes. In spring, everybody runs\n \n\n2907\n01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,589\nor Lake Hajes. In spring, everybody runs\nout to Anza Barago, our desert here to\n\n2908\n01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:45,599\nout to Anza Barago, our desert here to\n \n\n2909\n01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:48,069\nout to Anza Barago, our desert here to\nsee the desert wild flowers. But in our\n\n2910\n01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:48,079\nsee the desert wild flowers. But in our\n \n\n2911\n01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:50,390\nsee the desert wild flowers. But in our\nown backyard, this is what was going on,\n\n2912\n01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:50,400\nown backyard, this is what was going on,\n \n\n2913\n01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,589\nown backyard, this is what was going on,\nman. Cuz this was healthy prior, too.\n\n2914\n01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:53,599\nman. Cuz this was healthy prior, too.\n \n\n2915\n01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:56,789\nman. Cuz this was healthy prior, too.\nThis wasn't weeded over. And nature does\n\n2916\n01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:56,799\nThis wasn't weeded over. And nature does\n \n\n2917\n01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:59,829\nThis wasn't weeded over. And nature does\na great job of recolonizing,\n\n2918\n01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:59,839\na great job of recolonizing,\n \n\n2919\n01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:03,270\na great job of recolonizing,\nright?\n\n2920\n01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:03,280\n\n \n\n2921\n01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,150\n\nI want to make a mention that\n\n2922\n01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:06,160\nI want to make a mention that\n \n\n2923\n01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,870\nI want to make a mention that\nthe role of fire of wild flowers is\n\n2924\n01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:08,880\nthe role of fire of wild flowers is\n \n\n2925\n01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,829\nthe role of fire of wild flowers is\nincredibly important to recovery.\n\n2926\n01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:11,839\nincredibly important to recovery.\n \n\n2927\n01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,910\nincredibly important to recovery.\nSo I mentioned this microisal fungal\n\n2928\n01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:13,920\nSo I mentioned this microisal fungal\n \n\n2929\n01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,910\nSo I mentioned this microisal fungal\ngrid that permeates the soil. Well, it\n\n2930\n01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:15,920\ngrid that permeates the soil. Well, it\n \n\n2931\n01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,030\ngrid that permeates the soil. Well, it\nstores water and metabolizes nutrients\n\n2932\n01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:19,040\nstores water and metabolizes nutrients\n \n\n2933\n01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,070\nstores water and metabolizes nutrients\nand basically helps feed these to the\n\n2934\n01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:22,080\nand basically helps feed these to the\n \n\n2935\n01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,229\nand basically helps feed these to the\nplants and the plants return 20% of\n\n2936\n01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:24,239\nplants and the plants return 20% of\n \n\n2937\n01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,189\nplants and the plants return 20% of\ntheir carbohydrate production to the\n\n2938\n01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:27,199\ntheir carbohydrate production to the\n \n\n2939\n01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,430\ntheir carbohydrate production to the\nfungus. It's a true symbiosis. Well,\n\n2940\n01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:29,440\nfungus. It's a true symbiosis. Well,\n \n\n2941\n01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:31,510\nfungus. It's a true symbiosis. Well,\nwhen you have a fire, all that energy\n\n2942\n01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:31,520\nwhen you have a fire, all that energy\n \n\n2943\n01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,510\nwhen you have a fire, all that energy\nand moisture goes into those stump\n\n2944\n01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:33,520\nand moisture goes into those stump\n \n\n2945\n01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,309\nand moisture goes into those stump\nsprouts as those plants start to stump\n\n2946\n01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:36,319\nsprouts as those plants start to stump\n \n\n2947\n01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,510\nsprouts as those plants start to stump\nroute back very quickly.\n\n2948\n01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:39,520\nroute back very quickly.\n \n\n2949\n01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,590\nroute back very quickly.\nSo, then comes the wild flowers which\n\n2950\n01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:41,600\nSo, then comes the wild flowers which\n \n\n2951\n01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,470\nSo, then comes the wild flowers which\nare also tied into the fungus and they\n\n2952\n01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:44,480\nare also tied into the fungus and they\n \n\n2953\n01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:47,189\nare also tied into the fungus and they\nreplenish the grid.\n\n2954\n01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:47,199\nreplenish the grid.\n \n\n2955\n01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,630\nreplenish the grid.\nThe the rains and the the carbohydrates\n\n2956\n01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:50,640\nThe the rains and the the carbohydrates\n \n\n2957\n01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,829\nThe the rains and the the carbohydrates\nfrom the wild flowers are what replenish\n\n2958\n01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:53,839\nfrom the wild flowers are what replenish\n \n\n2959\n01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:56,630\nfrom the wild flowers are what replenish\nthe grid and get it ready again for the\n\n2960\n01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:56,640\nthe grid and get it ready again for the\n \n\n2961\n01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,510\nthe grid and get it ready again for the\nnext fire. But unfortunately, if you\n\n2962\n01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:59,520\nnext fire. But unfortunately, if you\n \n\n2963\n01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,349\nnext fire. But unfortunately, if you\nhave a situation like this that was\n\n2964\n01:09:01,349 --> 01:09:01,359\nhave a situation like this that was\n \n\n2965\n01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:02,630\nhave a situation like this that was\nseated, that whole thing is\n\n2966\n01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:02,640\nseated, that whole thing is\n \n\n2967\n01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,390\nseated, that whole thing is\nshortcircuited.\n\n2968\n01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:04,400\nshortcircuited.\n \n\n2969\n01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,229\nshortcircuited.\nOkay,\n\n2970\n01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:06,239\nOkay,\n \n\n2971\n01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:08,630\nOkay,\nthis was seated.\n\n2972\n01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:08,640\nthis was seated.\n \n\n2973\n01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,709\nthis was seated.\nThere is no native ecology left. That\n\n2974\n01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:10,719\nThere is no native ecology left. That\n \n\n2975\n01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:13,910\nThere is no native ecology left. That\noak tree in the uh back will be its next\n\n2976\n01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:13,920\noak tree in the uh back will be its next\n \n\n2977\n01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,749\noak tree in the uh back will be its next\nvictim. It's ready to burn every year.\n\n2978\n01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:17,759\nvictim. It's ready to burn every year.\n \n\n2979\n01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:19,349\nvictim. It's ready to burn every year.\nUh and it's full of something called\n\n2980\n01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:19,359\nUh and it's full of something called\n \n\n2981\n01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,870\nUh and it's full of something called\nstar, which is really nasty, and it's a\n\n2982\n01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:22,880\nstar, which is really nasty, and it's a\n \n\n2983\n01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,709\nstar, which is really nasty, and it's a\ncontaminant in a lot of these seed\n\n2984\n01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:24,719\ncontaminant in a lot of these seed\n \n\n2985\n01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,510\ncontaminant in a lot of these seed\nmixes. And you see it a lot in hay, you\n\n2986\n01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:27,520\nmixes. And you see it a lot in hay, you\n \n\n2987\n01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,709\nmixes. And you see it a lot in hay, you\nknow, horses or freerange grazing, but\n\n2988\n01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:30,719\nknow, horses or freerange grazing, but\n \n\n2989\n01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:33,030\nknow, horses or freerange grazing, but\nit's it's god awful. And people actually\n\n2990\n01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:33,040\nit's it's god awful. And people actually\n \n\n2991\n01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,749\nit's it's god awful. And people actually\nthink this is a native landscape. Talk\n\n2992\n01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:35,759\nthink this is a native landscape. Talk\n \n\n2993\n01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:37,910\nthink this is a native landscape. Talk\nabout desertification and loss of\n\n2994\n01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:37,920\nabout desertification and loss of\n \n\n2995\n01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,110\nabout desertification and loss of\nhumidity and soil moisture. It's just\n\n2996\n01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:41,120\nhumidity and soil moisture. It's just\n \n\n2997\n01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,749\nhumidity and soil moisture. It's just\nconverting us into desert.\n\n2998\n01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:43,759\nconverting us into desert.\n \n\n2999\n01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:45,749\nconverting us into desert.\nSo that's what it should look like,\n\n3000\n01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:45,759\nSo that's what it should look like,\n \n\n3001\n01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:48,390\nSo that's what it should look like,\nright? This is you'll even see glass on\n\n3002\n01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:48,400\nright? This is you'll even see glass on\n \n\n3003\n01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,229\nright? This is you'll even see glass on\nthe ground. Crunch crunch because the\n\n3004\n01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:50,239\nthe ground. Crunch crunch because the\n \n\n3005\n01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:53,349\nthe ground. Crunch crunch because the\nsilica will often melt and form glasses.\n\n3006\n01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:53,359\nsilica will often melt and form glasses.\n \n\n3007\n01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,709\nsilica will often melt and form glasses.\nAnd that's fine. That's totally natural.\n\n3008\n01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:56,719\nAnd that's fine. That's totally natural.\n \n\n3009\n01:09:56,719 --> 01:10:00,149\nAnd that's fine. That's totally natural.\nOkay. Then this is one year postfire and\n\n3010\n01:10:00,149 --> 01:10:00,159\nOkay. Then this is one year postfire and\n \n\n3011\n01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:01,669\nOkay. Then this is one year postfire and\nthe wild flowers are starting to come\n\n3012\n01:10:01,669 --> 01:10:01,679\nthe wild flowers are starting to come\n \n\n3013\n01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:03,110\nthe wild flowers are starting to come\nback. Things are beginning to stump\n\n3014\n01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:03,120\nback. Things are beginning to stump\n \n\n3015\n01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,149\nback. Things are beginning to stump\nsprout and then five years years\n\n3016\n01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:06,159\nsprout and then five years years\n \n\n3017\n01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:07,910\nsprout and then five years years\npostfire.\n\n3018\n01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:07,920\npostfire.\n \n\n3019\n01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,310\npostfire.\nYou know, we've got a beautiful native\n\n3020\n01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:10,320\nYou know, we've got a beautiful native\n \n\n3021\n01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:14,149\nYou know, we've got a beautiful native\ngarden returning on its own.\n\n3022\n01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:14,159\ngarden returning on its own.\n \n\n3023\n01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,390\ngarden returning on its own.\nAnd I'll I'll end it there with there's\n\n3024\n01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:16,400\nAnd I'll I'll end it there with there's\n \n\n3025\n01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,550\nAnd I'll I'll end it there with there's\nmy contact information if you guys want\n\n3026\n01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:18,560\nmy contact information if you guys want\n \n\n3027\n01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,390\nmy contact information if you guys want\nto reach out at all. Um, we work all\n\n3028\n01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:22,400\nto reach out at all. Um, we work all\n \n\n3029\n01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,790\nto reach out at all. Um, we work all\nover San Diego County and, uh, you know,\n\n3030\n01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:26,800\nover San Diego County and, uh, you know,\n \n\n3031\n01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,590\nover San Diego County and, uh, you know,\num, we have a pretty good track record\n\n3032\n01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:29,600\num, we have a pretty good track record\n \n\n3033\n01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,270\num, we have a pretty good track record\nof success and knowledge about this\n\n3034\n01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:31,280\nof success and knowledge about this\n \n\n3035\n01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,189\nof success and knowledge about this\nstuff. So,\n\n3036\n01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:33,199\nstuff. So,\n \n\n3037\n01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:36,630\nstuff. So,\nthat's the end. Thank you very much.\n\n3038\n01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:36,640\nthat's the end. Thank you very much.\n \n\n3039\n01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,070\nthat's the end. Thank you very much.\nHey, Greg, are you uh, open to having\n\n3040\n01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:40,080\nHey, Greg, are you uh, open to having\n \n\n3041\n01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,750\nHey, Greg, are you uh, open to having\npeople\n\n3042\n01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:41,760\npeople\n \n\n3043\n01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,590\npeople\nuh, turn on their audio and have\n\n3044\n01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:43,600\nuh, turn on their audio and have\n \n\n3045\n01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,470\nuh, turn on their audio and have\nquestions?\n I am so completely open to\n\n3046\n01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:46,480\nquestions?\n I am so completely open to\n \n\n3047\n01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,110\nquestions?\n I am so completely open to\nthat. That's what this is about.\n Okay.\n\n3048\n01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:49,120\nthat. That's what this is about.\n Okay.\n \n\n3049\n01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:56,229\nthat. That's what this is about.\n Okay.\nPlease,\n\n3050\n01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:56,239\n\n \n\n3051\n01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,470\n\nany questions?\n\n3052\n01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:58,480\nany questions?\n \n\n3053\n01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,470\nany questions?\nAnything in the chat to look at here? Oh\n\n3054\n01:11:00,470 --> 01:11:00,480\nAnything in the chat to look at here? Oh\n \n\n3055\n01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,870\nAnything in the chat to look at here? Oh\nboy, we have a lot of messages.\n Greg, I\n\n3056\n01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:02,880\nboy, we have a lot of messages.\n Greg, I\n \n\n3057\n01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,189\nboy, we have a lot of messages.\n Greg, I\nI have a question.\n\n3058\n01:11:05,189 --> 01:11:05,199\nI have a question.\n \n\n3059\n01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:09,270\nI have a question.\nYes.\n This is Orchid. Um,\n hi Orchid.\n Hi.\n\n3060\n01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:09,280\nYes.\n This is Orchid. Um,\n hi Orchid.\n Hi.\n \n\n3061\n01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,430\nYes.\n This is Orchid. Um,\n hi Orchid.\n Hi.\nAnd I You've been talking for 28 years\n\n3062\n01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:11,440\nAnd I You've been talking for 28 years\n \n\n3063\n01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,830\nAnd I You've been talking for 28 years\nand I've been listening to you for 25 of\n\n3064\n01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:13,840\nand I've been listening to you for 25 of\n \n\n3065\n01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,229\nand I've been listening to you for 25 of\nthe those years.\n\n3066\n01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:16,239\nthe those years.\n \n\n3067\n01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:20,070\nthe those years.\nAbsolutely. have\n um we\n had a lot of\n\n3068\n01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:20,080\nAbsolutely. have\n um we\n had a lot of\n \n\n3069\n01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,310\nAbsolutely. have\n um we\n had a lot of\nclients out there in Aladena and stuff,\n\n3070\n01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:22,320\nclients out there in Aladena and stuff,\n \n\n3071\n01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,030\nclients out there in Aladena and stuff,\nyou know.\n Yes. Yes, I I do have um\n\n3072\n01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:25,040\nyou know.\n Yes. Yes, I I do have um\n \n\n3073\n01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,510\nyou know.\n Yes. Yes, I I do have um\nclients in Altadena whose landscape did\n\n3074\n01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:27,520\nclients in Altadena whose landscape did\n \n\n3075\n01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:33,350\nclients in Altadena whose landscape did\nsurvive. Um two separate clients um uh\n\n3076\n01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:33,360\nsurvive. Um two separate clients um uh\n \n\n3077\n01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,830\nsurvive. Um two separate clients um uh\nso um I'm pleased with myself around\n\n3078\n01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:35,840\nso um I'm pleased with myself around\n \n\n3079\n01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,630\nso um I'm pleased with myself around\nthat. I I want to\n proud of you.\n Bring\n\n3080\n01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:38,640\nthat. I I want to\n proud of you.\n Bring\n \n\n3081\n01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,830\nthat. I I want to\n proud of you.\n Bring\nThank you. Thank you. And um actually\n\n3082\n01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:41,840\nThank you. Thank you. And um actually\n \n\n3083\n01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,950\nThank you. Thank you. And um actually\nthree because um\n\n3084\n01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:44,960\nthree because um\n \n\n3085\n01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,870\nthree because um\nuh because I am also living within the\n\n3086\n01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:48,880\nuh because I am also living within the\n \n\n3087\n01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,830\nuh because I am also living within the\nfootprint of the eaten fire right now in\n\n3088\n01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:51,840\nfootprint of the eaten fire right now in\n \n\n3089\n01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,470\nfootprint of the eaten fire right now in\nSierra Madre Canyon and um that Sierra\n\n3090\n01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:54,480\nSierra Madre Canyon and um that Sierra\n \n\n3091\n01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,950\nSierra Madre Canyon and um that Sierra\nMadre other that Sierra Madre house that\n\n3092\n01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:56,960\nMadre other that Sierra Madre house that\n \n\n3093\n01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,990\nMadre other that Sierra Madre house that\nyou saw they now own all the houses\n\n3094\n01:11:59,990 --> 01:12:00,000\nyou saw they now own all the houses\n \n\n3095\n01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,110\nyou saw they now own all the houses\naround it and that entire um part\n\n3096\n01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:03,120\naround it and that entire um part\n \n\n3097\n01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:08,229\naround it and that entire um part\nsurvived. Um, but I'm I'm I want to uh\n\n3098\n01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:08,239\nsurvived. Um, but I'm I'm I want to uh\n \n\n3099\n01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,830\nsurvived. Um, but I'm I'm I want to uh\nbring up this zone zero thing because um\n\n3100\n01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:11,840\nbring up this zone zero thing because um\n \n\n3101\n01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,070\nbring up this zone zero thing because um\nthey're making regulations about this\n\n3102\n01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:14,080\nthey're making regulations about this\n \n\n3103\n01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,910\nthey're making regulations about this\nright now and um\n and\n\n3104\n01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:19,920\nright now and um\n and\n \n\n3105\n01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,070\nright now and um\n and\nabout a hundred people were organizing\n\n3106\n01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:22,080\nabout a hundred people were organizing\n \n\n3107\n01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,110\nabout a hundred people were organizing\npro professionals planners UCLA\n\n3108\n01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:25,120\npro professionals planners UCLA\n \n\n3109\n01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,750\npro professionals planners UCLA\norganizing around this regulation and um\n\n3110\n01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:29,760\norganizing around this regulation and um\n \n\n3111\n01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,189\norganizing around this regulation and um\nand I my experience is that our oak\n\n3112\n01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:33,199\nand I my experience is that our oak\n \n\n3113\n01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,390\nand I my experience is that our oak\ntrees trees in our canyon with oak trees\n\n3114\n01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:36,400\ntrees trees in our canyon with oak trees\n \n\n3115\n01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,510\ntrees trees in our canyon with oak trees\ntouching everyone's house. I mean, you\n\n3116\n01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:39,520\ntouching everyone's house. I mean, you\n \n\n3117\n01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,790\ntouching everyone's house. I mean, you\nknow, no separation. Um, and and the\n\n3118\n01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:42,800\nknow, no separation. Um, and and the\n \n\n3119\n01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,990\nknow, no separation. Um, and and the\nsycamores were protected. You know,\n\n3120\n01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:46,000\nsycamores were protected. You know,\n \n\n3121\n01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,070\nsycamores were protected. You know,\nSierra Madre Canyon is still there.\n\n3122\n01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:48,080\nSierra Madre Canyon is still there.\n \n\n3123\n01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,030\nSierra Madre Canyon is still there.\nThere's like\n three or four structures,\n\n3124\n01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:51,040\nThere's like\n three or four structures,\n \n\n3125\n01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,390\nThere's like\n three or four structures,\nthree on the western edge and and and\n\n3126\n01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:54,400\nthree on the western edge and and and\n \n\n3127\n01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,630\nthree on the western edge and and and\none on the other edge. So, the edge\n\n3128\n01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:56,640\none on the other edge. So, the edge\n \n\n3129\n01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,350\none on the other edge. So, the edge\nwasn't good place to be. But, um, the\n\n3130\n01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:59,360\nwasn't good place to be. But, um, the\n \n\n3131\n01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,350\nwasn't good place to be. But, um, the\nfloor of the canyon is basically Little\n\n3132\n01:13:01,350 --> 01:13:01,360\nfloor of the canyon is basically Little\n \n\n3133\n01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,669\nfloor of the canyon is basically Little\nSanta Anita Canyon.\n\n3134\n01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:03,679\nSanta Anita Canyon.\n \n\n3135\n01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:07,110\nSanta Anita Canyon.\nUm, and uh, so one thing is we I would\n\n3136\n01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:07,120\nUm, and uh, so one thing is we I would\n \n\n3137\n01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,510\nUm, and uh, so one thing is we I would\nreally love to have, you know, this go\n\n3138\n01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:09,520\nreally love to have, you know, this go\n \n\n3139\n01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,950\nreally love to have, you know, this go\nup on YouTube sooner than later because\n\n3140\n01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:12,960\nup on YouTube sooner than later because\n \n\n3141\n01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,270\nup on YouTube sooner than later because\nuh, we're trying to get CNS to take a\n\n3142\n01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:15,280\nuh, we're trying to get CNS to take a\n \n\n3143\n01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,110\nuh, we're trying to get CNS to take a\nposition on zone zero. And the people\n\n3144\n01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:17,120\nposition on zone zero. And the people\n \n\n3145\n01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,110\nposition on zone zero. And the people\nwho live in Northern California are like\n\n3146\n01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:19,120\nwho live in Northern California are like\n \n\n3147\n01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,350\nwho live in Northern California are like\nzone zero is the way, the truth, and the\n\n3148\n01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:21,360\nzone zero is the way, the truth, and the\n \n\n3149\n01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,510\nzone zero is the way, the truth, and the\nlife. And those of us in Southern\n\n3150\n01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:23,520\nlife. And those of us in Southern\n \n\n3151\n01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,030\nlife. And those of us in Southern\nCalifornia who saw the, you know, pines\n\n3152\n01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:27,040\nCalifornia who saw the, you know, pines\n \n\n3153\n01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,709\nCalifornia who saw the, you know, pines\nand oaks and diodars even sheltering\n\n3154\n01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:30,719\nand oaks and diodars even sheltering\n \n\n3155\n01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:33,030\nand oaks and diodars even sheltering\nhouses from embers have a different\n\n3156\n01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:33,040\nhouses from embers have a different\n \n\n3157\n01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,870\nhouses from embers have a different\nview. Can you speak to that?\n Oh boy, can\n\n3158\n01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:36,880\nview. Can you speak to that?\n Oh boy, can\n \n\n3159\n01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:41,270\nview. Can you speak to that?\n Oh boy, can\nI speak to that? Um, so there is this\n\n3160\n01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:41,280\nI speak to that? Um, so there is this\n \n\n3161\n01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,830\nI speak to that? Um, so there is this\nsort of schism.\n\n3162\n01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:43,840\nsort of schism.\n \n\n3163\n01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,590\nsort of schism.\nWe're trying to we're trying to bridge\n\n3164\n01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:45,600\nWe're trying to we're trying to bridge\n \n\n3165\n01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,510\nWe're trying to we're trying to bridge\nthis gap.\n\n3166\n01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:47,520\nthis gap.\n \n\n3167\n01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,990\nthis gap.\nSo what happened is, you know, we've\n\n3168\n01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:50,000\nSo what happened is, you know, we've\n \n\n3169\n01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,830\nSo what happened is, you know, we've\nbeen experiencing\n\n3170\n01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:51,840\nbeen experiencing\n \n\n3171\n01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,990\nbeen experiencing\nwind driven fire for all of our lives\n\n3172\n01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:54,000\nwind driven fire for all of our lives\n \n\n3173\n01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,070\nwind driven fire for all of our lives\ndown here, Santana wind events.\n\n3174\n01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:58,080\ndown here, Santana wind events.\n \n\n3175\n01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,470\ndown here, Santana wind events.\nAnd so we've had a lot of experience.\n\n3176\n01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:02,480\nAnd so we've had a lot of experience.\n \n\n3177\n01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,790\nAnd so we've had a lot of experience.\nWe took some good measures after the\n\n3178\n01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:04,800\nWe took some good measures after the\n \n\n3179\n01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,350\nWe took some good measures after the\nfires. Um, one of the ones that I\n\n3180\n01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:09,360\nfires. Um, one of the ones that I\n \n\n3181\n01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,270\nfires. Um, one of the ones that I\ninitially had heartburn over, but then\n\n3182\n01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:13,280\ninitially had heartburn over, but then\n \n\n3183\n01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,350\ninitially had heartburn over, but then\ngrew to see the benefit as was uh SDG\n\n3184\n01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:17,360\ngrew to see the benefit as was uh SDG\n \n\n3185\n01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,189\ngrew to see the benefit as was uh SDG\nclearing around their power poles and\n\n3186\n01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:21,199\nclearing around their power poles and\n \n\n3187\n01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:23,350\nclearing around their power poles and\ntransformers. I mean, I don't like to\n\n3188\n01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:23,360\ntransformers. I mean, I don't like to\n \n\n3189\n01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,430\ntransformers. I mean, I don't like to\nsee native vegetation cut back, but in\n\n3190\n01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:25,440\nsee native vegetation cut back, but in\n \n\n3191\n01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,669\nsee native vegetation cut back, but in\nthis case, I think it's really helped in\n\n3192\n01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:27,679\nthis case, I think it's really helped in\n \n\n3193\n01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,669\nthis case, I think it's really helped in\nother wind events and also improving\n\n3194\n01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:29,679\nother wind events and also improving\n \n\n3195\n01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:32,950\nother wind events and also improving\ntheir connectors and stuff to keep\n\n3196\n01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:32,960\ntheir connectors and stuff to keep\n \n\n3197\n01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,870\ntheir connectors and stuff to keep\nsparking and arcing from lighting up\n\n3198\n01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:34,880\nsparking and arcing from lighting up\n \n\n3199\n01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,790\nsparking and arcing from lighting up\nvegetation.\n\n3200\n01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:36,800\nvegetation.\n \n\n3201\n01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,630\nvegetation.\nThat's, you know, not wood. We haven't\n\n3202\n01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:38,640\nThat's, you know, not wood. We haven't\n \n\n3203\n01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,430\nThat's, you know, not wood. We haven't\nhad a huge catastrophic fire like that\n\n3204\n01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:41,440\nhad a huge catastrophic fire like that\n \n\n3205\n01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:43,430\nhad a huge catastrophic fire like that\nsince 2007.\n\n3206\n01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:43,440\nsince 2007.\n \n\n3207\n01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:44,870\nsince 2007.\nSo, we went through it. We went through\n\n3208\n01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:44,880\nSo, we went through it. We went through\n \n\n3209\n01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,110\nSo, we went through it. We went through\nthe learning curve. We learned a lot.\n\n3210\n01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:49,120\nthe learning curve. We learned a lot.\n \n\n3211\n01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,550\nthe learning curve. We learned a lot.\nBut a lot of what's happening in\n\n3212\n01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:50,560\nBut a lot of what's happening in\n \n\n3213\n01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:54,310\nBut a lot of what's happening in\nNorthern California at this level is\n\n3214\n01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:54,320\nNorthern California at this level is\n \n\n3215\n01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,229\nNorthern California at this level is\npretty recent.\n\n3216\n01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:56,239\npretty recent.\n \n\n3217\n01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:00,229\npretty recent.\nAnd so I it feels like something of an\n\n3218\n01:15:00,229 --> 01:15:00,239\nAnd so I it feels like something of an\n \n\n3219\n01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:03,350\nAnd so I it feels like something of an\ncertainly understandable panicked\n\n3220\n01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:03,360\ncertainly understandable panicked\n \n\n3221\n01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,310\ncertainly understandable panicked\nknee-jerk response.\n\n3222\n01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:06,320\nknee-jerk response.\n \n\n3223\n01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,470\nknee-jerk response.\nAnd they're blaming the vegetation.\n\n3224\n01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:10,480\nAnd they're blaming the vegetation.\n \n\n3225\n01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,470\nAnd they're blaming the vegetation.\nAs I said, it's very performative. It's\n\n3226\n01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:12,480\nAs I said, it's very performative. It's\n \n\n3227\n01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:16,630\nAs I said, it's very performative. It's\nvery easy. Um and what they're doing is\n\n3228\n01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:16,640\nvery easy. Um and what they're doing is\n \n\n3229\n01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,510\nvery easy. Um and what they're doing is\npotentially making the problem worse.\n\n3230\n01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:19,520\npotentially making the problem worse.\n \n\n3231\n01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,790\npotentially making the problem worse.\nwhen it comes to zone zero, I am of\n\n3232\n01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:22,800\nwhen it comes to zone zero, I am of\n \n\n3233\n01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,750\nwhen it comes to zone zero, I am of\nmixed feelings about that.\n\n3234\n01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:25,760\nmixed feelings about that.\n \n\n3235\n01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,870\nmixed feelings about that.\nSo, I typically am implementing it in\n\n3236\n01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:28,880\nSo, I typically am implementing it in\n \n\n3237\n01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,510\nSo, I typically am implementing it in\nnew construction\n\n3238\n01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:31,520\nnew construction\n \n\n3239\n01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,709\nnew construction\nbecause it's easy to do then\n\n3240\n01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:34,719\nbecause it's easy to do then\n \n\n3241\n01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:37,590\nbecause it's easy to do then\nit'll get the fire department off their\n\n3242\n01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:37,600\nit'll get the fire department off their\n \n\n3243\n01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,590\nit'll get the fire department off their\nback or the insurance company\n\n3244\n01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:41,600\nback or the insurance company\n \n\n3245\n01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,350\nback or the insurance company\nand I actually think we have some\n\n3246\n01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:43,360\nand I actually think we have some\n \n\n3247\n01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,510\nand I actually think we have some\ninstances where it actually worked.\n\n3248\n01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:45,520\ninstances where it actually worked.\n \n\n3249\n01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,510\ninstances where it actually worked.\nOkay,\n\n3250\n01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:47,520\nOkay,\n \n\n3251\n01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,990\nOkay,\nhaving said that,\n\n3252\n01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:50,000\nhaving said that,\n \n\n3253\n01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,270\nhaving said that,\nto go in and retrofit\n\n3254\n01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:53,280\nto go in and retrofit\n \n\n3255\n01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,030\nto go in and retrofit\nand expect a senior citizen to remove a\n\n3256\n01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:57,040\nand expect a senior citizen to remove a\n \n\n3257\n01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,910\nand expect a senior citizen to remove a\nbeautiful 50-year-old Aelia\n\n3258\n01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:59,920\nbeautiful 50-year-old Aelia\n \n\n3259\n01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,870\nbeautiful 50-year-old Aelia\nthat's growing next to the house or\n\n3260\n01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:02,880\nthat's growing next to the house or\n \n\n3261\n01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,110\nthat's growing next to the house or\ntheir private hedge\n\n3262\n01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:07,120\n\n \n\n3263\n01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,270\n\nis at best ineffective and might even be\n\n3264\n01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:11,280\nis at best ineffective and might even be\n \n\n3265\n01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,590\nis at best ineffective and might even be\ncounterproductive.\n\n3266\n01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:13,600\ncounterproductive.\n \n\n3267\n01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,510\ncounterproductive.\nyou know, in those pictures I showed in\n\n3268\n01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:15,520\nyou know, in those pictures I showed in\n \n\n3269\n01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,790\nyou know, in those pictures I showed in\nin Lucas and Max's article,\n\n3270\n01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:18,800\nin Lucas and Max's article,\n \n\n3271\n01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,470\nin Lucas and Max's article,\num, clearly that house was protected by\n\n3272\n01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:22,480\num, clearly that house was protected by\n \n\n3273\n01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:25,990\num, clearly that house was protected by\nthat hedge. Clearly in the green belt\n\n3274\n01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:26,000\nthat hedge. Clearly in the green belt\n \n\n3275\n01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,350\nthat hedge. Clearly in the green belt\npicture from Ramona that I showed, that\n\n3276\n01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:29,360\npicture from Ramona that I showed, that\n \n\n3277\n01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,390\npicture from Ramona that I showed, that\nhouse was protected by those hydrated\n\n3278\n01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:32,400\nhouse was protected by those hydrated\n \n\n3279\n01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,790\nhouse was protected by those hydrated\noak trees right next to it. And it only\n\n3280\n01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:34,800\noak trees right next to it. And it only\n \n\n3281\n01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,149\noak trees right next to it. And it only\nscorched on the fire side. Okay. One of\n\n3282\n01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:38,159\nscorched on the fire side. Okay. One of\n \n\n3283\n01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:40,470\nscorched on the fire side. Okay. One of\nthe things you saw, I'm sure you saw\n\n3284\n01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:40,480\nthe things you saw, I'm sure you saw\n \n\n3285\n01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,510\nthe things you saw, I'm sure you saw\nOrchid, is that a lot of the scorched\n\n3286\n01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:43,520\nOrchid, is that a lot of the scorched\n \n\n3287\n01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,590\nOrchid, is that a lot of the scorched\nand burned vegetation was actually on\n\n3288\n01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:45,600\nand burned vegetation was actually on\n \n\n3289\n01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,310\nand burned vegetation was actually on\nthe inside on the house side. Meaning\n\n3290\n01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:48,320\nthe inside on the house side. Meaning\n \n\n3291\n01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,870\nthe inside on the house side. Meaning\nthat the house caught fire first and\n\n3292\n01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:50,880\nthat the house caught fire first and\n \n\n3293\n01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,030\nthat the house caught fire first and\nthen ignited the vegetation from the\n\n3294\n01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:53,040\nthen ignited the vegetation from the\n \n\n3295\n01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,510\nthen ignited the vegetation from the\nhouse fire.\n So true.\n Okay.\n Right. So,\n\n3296\n01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:57,520\nhouse fire.\n So true.\n Okay.\n Right. So,\n \n\n3297\n01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,669\nhouse fire.\n So true.\n Okay.\n Right. So,\nand what the bottom line in all this\n\n3298\n01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:59,679\nand what the bottom line in all this\n \n\n3299\n01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:02,790\nand what the bottom line in all this\nstuff,\n it's fairly for the most part\n\n3300\n01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:02,800\nstuff,\n it's fairly for the most part\n \n\n3301\n01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,430\nstuff,\n it's fairly for the most part\nindependent of plant selection. I hate\n\n3302\n01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:05,440\nindependent of plant selection. I hate\n \n\n3303\n01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,750\nindependent of plant selection. I hate\nthese stupid\n\n3304\n01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:07,760\nthese stupid\n \n\n3305\n01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,510\nthese stupid\nbireresistant plants versus, you know,\n\n3306\n01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:11,520\nbireresistant plants versus, you know,\n \n\n3307\n01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,310\nbireresistant plants versus, you know,\ncan't, you know, banned plants list.\n\n3308\n01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:14,320\ncan't, you know, banned plants list.\n \n\n3309\n01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,229\ncan't, you know, banned plants list.\nThey're terrible. There's no science\n\n3310\n01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:16,239\nThey're terrible. There's no science\n \n\n3311\n01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:20,229\nThey're terrible. There's no science\nsupporting it. And it doesn't conform to\n\n3312\n01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:20,239\nsupporting it. And it doesn't conform to\n \n\n3313\n01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:23,030\nsupporting it. And it doesn't conform to\nour actual experience. And my experience\n\n3314\n01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:23,040\nour actual experience. And my experience\n \n\n3315\n01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,390\nour actual experience. And my experience\ngoes back to my mentor at Los Pletus\n\n3316\n01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:26,400\ngoes back to my mentor at Los Pletus\n \n\n3317\n01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,189\ngoes back to my mentor at Los Pletus\nNursery, Bert Wilson. Rest may rest in\n\n3318\n01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:29,199\nNursery, Bert Wilson. Rest may rest in\n \n\n3319\n01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:30,790\nNursery, Bert Wilson. Rest may rest in\npeace,\n\n3320\n01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:30,800\npeace,\n \n\n3321\n01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,950\npeace,\nwho was also a 14-year CalFire\n\n3322\n01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:34,960\nwho was also a 14-year CalFire\n \n\n3323\n01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,270\nwho was also a 14-year CalFire\nfirefighter. And so he'd been beating\n\n3324\n01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:37,280\nfirefighter. And so he'd been beating\n \n\n3325\n01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,990\nfirefighter. And so he'd been beating\nthis stuff into my head since day one.\n\n3326\n01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:40,000\nthis stuff into my head since day one.\n \n\n3327\n01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,470\nthis stuff into my head since day one.\nOkay. So that's where I initially\n\n3328\n01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:42,480\nOkay. So that's where I initially\n \n\n3329\n01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,390\nOkay. So that's where I initially\nlearned a lot of this stuff and then\n\n3330\n01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:44,400\nlearned a lot of this stuff and then\n \n\n3331\n01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,350\nlearned a lot of this stuff and then\nputting it into practice, it played out\n\n3332\n01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:47,360\nputting it into practice, it played out\n \n\n3333\n01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,990\nputting it into practice, it played out\nbeautifully. It played out pretty much\n\n3334\n01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:50,000\nbeautifully. It played out pretty much\n \n\n3335\n01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,030\nbeautifully. It played out pretty much\nas predicted and we tweaked it a little\n\n3336\n01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:53,040\nas predicted and we tweaked it a little\n \n\n3337\n01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,669\nas predicted and we tweaked it a little\nbit and but you know after 25 fire\n\n3338\n01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:55,679\nbit and but you know after 25 fire\n \n\n3339\n01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:58,550\nbit and but you know after 25 fire\nevents and now you mentioned three, you\n\n3340\n01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:58,560\nevents and now you mentioned three, you\n \n\n3341\n01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,149\nevents and now you mentioned three, you\nknow, it's playing out, man. It's\n\n3342\n01:18:00,149 --> 01:18:00,159\nknow, it's playing out, man. It's\n \n\n3343\n01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,030\nknow, it's playing out, man. It's\nplaying out. So,\n\n3344\n01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:03,040\nplaying out. So,\n \n\n3345\n01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,030\nplaying out. So,\nI would think that person with their\n\n3346\n01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:05,040\nI would think that person with their\n \n\n3347\n01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,950\nI would think that person with their\n50-year-old ailia against the house\n\n3348\n01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:06,960\n50-year-old ailia against the house\n \n\n3349\n01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,910\n50-year-old ailia against the house\nthere, all I'd have them do is prune out\n\n3350\n01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:09,920\nthere, all I'd have them do is prune out\n \n\n3351\n01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,669\nthere, all I'd have them do is prune out\nsome of the stuff that's it's, you know,\n\n3352\n01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:11,679\nsome of the stuff that's it's, you know,\n \n\n3353\n01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:14,070\nsome of the stuff that's it's, you know,\ngrowing up into the eaves or growing\n\n3354\n01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:14,080\ngrowing up into the eaves or growing\n \n\n3355\n01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,910\ngrowing up into the eaves or growing\nagainst the house. Uh, removing any dead\n\n3356\n01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:17,920\nagainst the house. Uh, removing any dead\n \n\n3357\n01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,990\nagainst the house. Uh, removing any dead\nvegetation, maybe thinning it out a\n\n3358\n01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:20,000\nvegetation, maybe thinning it out a\n \n\n3359\n01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,950\nvegetation, maybe thinning it out a\nlittle bit and enjoying it. And it may\n\n3360\n01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:22,960\nlittle bit and enjoying it. And it may\n \n\n3361\n01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,750\nlittle bit and enjoying it. And it may\neven help save the house, you know. So,\n\n3362\n01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:25,760\neven help save the house, you know. So,\n \n\n3363\n01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,910\neven help save the house, you know. So,\nthat's kind of my stand. New\n\n3364\n01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:27,920\nthat's kind of my stand. New\n \n\n3365\n01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,229\nthat's kind of my stand. New\nconstruction. Okay, I'll do zone zero. I\n\n3366\n01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:30,239\nconstruction. Okay, I'll do zone zero. I\n \n\n3367\n01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,070\nconstruction. Okay, I'll do zone zero. I\nthink I've had some actually positive\n\n3368\n01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:32,080\nthink I've had some actually positive\n \n\n3369\n01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,709\nthink I've had some actually positive\nexperiences with that.\n\n3370\n01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:34,719\nexperiences with that.\n \n\n3371\n01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:38,790\nexperiences with that.\nI'll retrofit if it's practical, but in\n\n3372\n01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:38,800\nI'll retrofit if it's practical, but in\n \n\n3373\n01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,990\nI'll retrofit if it's practical, but in\ngeneral, I think it's\n\n3374\n01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:42,000\ngeneral, I think it's\n \n\n3375\n01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,550\ngeneral, I think it's\nway overblown. Way overblown. The whole\n\n3376\n01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:44,560\nway overblown. Way overblown. The whole\n \n\n3377\n01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,430\nway overblown. Way overblown. The whole\ndependence on vegetative removal is way\n\n3378\n01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:47,440\ndependence on vegetative removal is way\n \n\n3379\n01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:50,630\ndependence on vegetative removal is way\noverblown. We need to be going from the\n\n3380\n01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:50,640\noverblown. We need to be going from the\n \n\n3381\n01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,830\noverblown. We need to be going from the\nhouse outward, not the landscape inward.\n\n3382\n01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:53,840\nhouse outward, not the landscape inward.\n \n\n3383\n01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,270\nhouse outward, not the landscape inward.\nI think so. So, so um thank you for\n\n3384\n01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:57,280\nI think so. So, so um thank you for\n \n\n3385\n01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,070\nI think so. So, so um thank you for\nspeaking to that and um and the head of\n\n3386\n01:19:00,070 --> 01:19:00,080\nspeaking to that and um and the head of\n \n\n3387\n01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,709\nspeaking to that and um and the head of\nmy I teach also at UCLA extension for\n\n3388\n01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:02,719\nmy I teach also at UCLA extension for\n \n\n3389\n01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:04,470\nmy I teach also at UCLA extension for\ntheir horiculture and landscape\n\n3390\n01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:04,480\ntheir horiculture and landscape\n \n\n3391\n01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:07,830\ntheir horiculture and landscape\narchitecture. Um and um the head of my\n\n3392\n01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:07,840\narchitecture. Um and um the head of my\n \n\n3393\n01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,790\narchitecture. Um and um the head of my\nprogram, Stephanie Landeran,\n\n3394\n01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:10,800\nprogram, Stephanie Landeran,\n \n\n3395\n01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,590\nprogram, Stephanie Landeran,\num uh said in a in an organizing meeting\n\n3396\n01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:13,600\num uh said in a in an organizing meeting\n \n\n3397\n01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,950\num uh said in a in an organizing meeting\non Monday that\n that um they could\n\n3398\n01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:16,960\non Monday that\n that um they could\n \n\n3399\n01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,590\non Monday that\n that um they could\npotentially be asking us to remove 4\n\n3400\n01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:19,600\npotentially be asking us to remove 4\n \n\n3401\n01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,149\npotentially be asking us to remove 4\nmillion trees. you know, she just did\n\n3402\n01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:22,159\nmillion trees. you know, she just did\n \n\n3403\n01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:24,950\nmillion trees. you know, she just did\nsome back of the envelope math on the on\n\n3404\n01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:24,960\nsome back of the envelope math on the on\n \n\n3405\n01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,630\nsome back of the envelope math on the on\nhow many um you know, parcels are in the\n\n3406\n01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:28,640\nhow many um you know, parcels are in the\n \n\n3407\n01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,870\nhow many um you know, parcels are in the\nzones in their map, new map zones.\n\n3408\n01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:32,880\nzones in their map, new map zones.\n \n\n3409\n01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,189\nzones in their map, new map zones.\nYeah, this this this this whole fire\n\n3410\n01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:35,199\nYeah, this this this this whole fire\n \n\n3411\n01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,830\nYeah, this this this this whole fire\nseverity zone map is also wreaking\n\n3412\n01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:37,840\nseverity zone map is also wreaking\n \n\n3413\n01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,510\nseverity zone map is also wreaking\nhavoc.\n\n3414\n01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:39,520\nhavoc.\n \n\n3415\n01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,310\nhavoc.\nI wish somebody would give me a call. I\n\n3416\n01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:42,320\nI wish somebody would give me a call. I\n \n\n3417\n01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,070\nI wish somebody would give me a call. I\nwish somebody bother to watch my\n\n3418\n01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:44,080\nwish somebody bother to watch my\n \n\n3419\n01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,990\nwish somebody bother to watch my\npresentation\n\n3420\n01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:46,000\npresentation\n \n\n3421\n01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,910\npresentation\nregularly. Ask, okay, do we have any\n\n3422\n01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:47,920\nregularly. Ask, okay, do we have any\n \n\n3423\n01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,070\nregularly. Ask, okay, do we have any\ninsurance representatives here? Do we\n\n3424\n01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:50,080\ninsurance representatives here? Do we\n \n\n3425\n01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,430\ninsurance representatives here? Do we\nhave any firefighters here?\n\n3426\n01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:53,440\nhave any firefighters here?\n \n\n3427\n01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,430\nhave any firefighters here?\nOkay.\n\n3428\n01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:55,440\nOkay.\n \n\n3429\n01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:58,709\nOkay.\nWell, our properties\n\n3430\n01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:58,719\nWell, our properties\n \n\n3431\n01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:00,950\nWell, our properties\nare involved in major fire events and\n\n3432\n01:20:00,950 --> 01:20:00,960\nare involved in major fire events and\n \n\n3433\n01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,189\nare involved in major fire events and\nsurviving. You want to hear what I have\n\n3434\n01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:03,199\nsurviving. You want to hear what I have\n \n\n3435\n01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:05,350\nsurviving. You want to hear what I have\nto say? I used to be an aerospace\n\n3436\n01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:05,360\nto say? I used to be an aerospace\n \n\n3437\n01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:06,790\nto say? I used to be an aerospace\nengineer. I also know about\n\n3438\n01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:06,800\nengineer. I also know about\n \n\n3439\n01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,350\nengineer. I also know about\naerodynamics, right?\n\n3440\n01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:09,360\naerodynamics, right?\n \n\n3441\n01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,669\naerodynamics, right?\nI know about flows. I know about fluid\n\n3442\n01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:11,679\nI know about flows. I know about fluid\n \n\n3443\n01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:14,070\nI know about flows. I know about fluid\ndynamics and how wind behaves when it's\n\n3444\n01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:14,080\ndynamics and how wind behaves when it's\n \n\n3445\n01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,950\ndynamics and how wind behaves when it's\nperturbed\n\n3446\n01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:16,960\nperturbed\n \n\n3447\n01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,189\nperturbed\nby an object. a bunch of other raised\n\n3448\n01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:19,199\nby an object. a bunch of other raised\n \n\n3449\n01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:23,430\nby an object. a bunch of other raised\nhands. So, I'm going to\n\n3450\n01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:23,440\n\n \n\n3451\n01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:25,350\n\nlet you\n Well, it's so easy to blame the\n\n3452\n01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:25,360\nlet you\n Well, it's so easy to blame the\n \n\n3453\n01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,030\nlet you\n Well, it's so easy to blame the\nplants, right? Have them remove all the\n\n3454\n01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:27,040\nplants, right? Have them remove all the\n \n\n3455\n01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,950\nplants, right? Have them remove all the\nplants. Yeah, that's going to remove the\n\n3456\n01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:28,960\nplants. Yeah, that's going to remove the\n \n\n3457\n01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,870\nplants. Yeah, that's going to remove the\nfire danger\n\n3458\n01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:30,880\nfire danger\n \n\n3459\n01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,830\nfire danger\nand then watch what happens.\n\n3460\n01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:33,840\nand then watch what happens.\n \n\n3461\n01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,910\nand then watch what happens.\nSo, I know there's a lot of questions in\n\n3462\n01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:35,920\nSo, I know there's a lot of questions in\n \n\n3463\n01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,189\nSo, I know there's a lot of questions in\nchat. Um, I'm going to try to back up\n\n3464\n01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:39,199\nchat. Um, I'm going to try to back up\n \n\n3465\n01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:43,110\nchat. Um, I'm going to try to back up\nand maybe answer some.\n\n3466\n01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:43,120\n\n \n\n3467\n01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,149\n\nUh, okay guys, I'm sorry. I'm going to\n\n3468\n01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:46,159\nUh, okay guys, I'm sorry. I'm going to\n \n\n3469\n01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,510\nUh, okay guys, I'm sorry. I'm going to\ntry to try to get through this. Um, what\n\n3470\n01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:49,520\ntry to try to get through this. Um, what\n \n\n3471\n01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,110\ntry to try to get through this. Um, what\nabout sages? Black sage. Very\n\n3472\n01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:51,120\nabout sages? Black sage. Very\n \n\n3473\n01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,229\nabout sages? Black sage. Very\nsuccessful. Okay. If hydrated,\n\n3474\n01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:54,239\nsuccessful. Okay. If hydrated,\n \n\n3475\n01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:57,590\nsuccessful. Okay. If hydrated,\nyes, like the buckwheat, but it needs\n\n3476\n01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:57,600\nyes, like the buckwheat, but it needs\n \n\n3477\n01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,510\nyes, like the buckwheat, but it needs\nhydration and it needs to be cleaned\n\n3478\n01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:59,520\nhydration and it needs to be cleaned\n \n\n3479\n01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,430\nhydration and it needs to be cleaned\nout. You got to remove the dead wood,\n\n3480\n01:21:01,430 --> 01:21:01,440\nout. You got to remove the dead wood,\n \n\n3481\n01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:04,310\nout. You got to remove the dead wood,\nopen it up. But yeah, some of your worst\n\n3482\n01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:04,320\nopen it up. But yeah, some of your worst\n \n\n3483\n01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,070\nopen it up. But yeah, some of your worst\nfirebombs\n\n3484\n01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:06,080\nfirebombs\n \n\n3485\n01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,750\nfirebombs\nactually benefit the most from the\n\n3486\n01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:07,760\nactually benefit the most from the\n \n\n3487\n01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,270\nactually benefit the most from the\nsupplemental hydration. And know this, I\n\n3488\n01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:11,280\nsupplemental hydration. And know this, I\n \n\n3489\n01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,030\nsupplemental hydration. And know this, I\ncannot guarantee your home will not burn\n\n3490\n01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:15,040\ncannot guarantee your home will not burn\n \n\n3491\n01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,669\ncannot guarantee your home will not burn\nin a massive firestorm for reasons that\n\n3492\n01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:17,679\nin a massive firestorm for reasons that\n \n\n3493\n01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:19,350\nin a massive firestorm for reasons that\nhave nothing to do with the landscape\n\n3494\n01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:19,360\nhave nothing to do with the landscape\n \n\n3495\n01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,709\nhave nothing to do with the landscape\neven, okay? But you sure can improve the\n\n3496\n01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:22,719\neven, okay? But you sure can improve the\n \n\n3497\n01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:25,669\neven, okay? But you sure can improve the\nsituation and create real defensible\n\n3498\n01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:25,679\nsituation and create real defensible\n \n\n3499\n01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:29,669\nsituation and create real defensible\nspace and hopefully save your house.\n\n3500\n01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:29,679\nspace and hopefully save your house.\n \n\n3501\n01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:34,390\nspace and hopefully save your house.\nUm,\n\n3502\n01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:34,400\n\n \n\n3503\n01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,110\n\nwhere join late. Where's the exhibit?\n\n3504\n01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:37,120\nwhere join late. Where's the exhibit?\n \n\n3505\n01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,270\nwhere join late. Where's the exhibit?\nI'm not Oh. Oh, that was Sorry, that was\n\n3506\n01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:39,280\nI'm not Oh. Oh, that was Sorry, that was\n \n\n3507\n01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,149\nI'm not Oh. Oh, that was Sorry, that was\nat the fair, San Diego County Fair. All\n\n3508\n01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:42,159\nat the fair, San Diego County Fair. All\n \n\n3509\n01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:45,270\nat the fair, San Diego County Fair. All\nright. Uh, can you recommend anyone for\n\n3510\n01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:45,280\nright. Uh, can you recommend anyone for\n \n\n3511\n01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,830\nright. Uh, can you recommend anyone for\nproduct to replace an elevated wood\n\n3512\n01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:47,840\nproduct to replace an elevated wood\n \n\n3513\n01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,110\nproduct to replace an elevated wood\ndeck? So, the elevated wood decks were\n\n3514\n01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:51,120\ndeck? So, the elevated wood decks were\n \n\n3515\n01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,110\ndeck? So, the elevated wood decks were\nwere closing in uh the outside of them.\n\n3516\n01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:55,120\nwere closing in uh the outside of them.\n \n\n3517\n01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,790\nwere closing in uh the outside of them.\nThat's one of the main things using like\n\n3518\n01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:56,800\nThat's one of the main things using like\n \n\n3519\n01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,430\nThat's one of the main things using like\nHardy Board, which or one of the other\n\n3520\n01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:59,440\nHardy Board, which or one of the other\n \n\n3521\n01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,350\nHardy Board, which or one of the other\nkind of fireresistant products. Most of\n\n3522\n01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:01,360\nkind of fireresistant products. Most of\n \n\n3523\n01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,750\nkind of fireresistant products. Most of\nthe modern decking now, the the\n\n3524\n01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:03,760\nthe modern decking now, the the\n \n\n3525\n01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,750\nthe modern decking now, the the\ncomposite decking is considered\n\n3526\n01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:05,760\ncomposite decking is considered\n \n\n3527\n01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,790\ncomposite decking is considered\nfireresistant. Um,\n\n3528\n01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:08,800\nfireresistant. Um,\n \n\n3529\n01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,030\nfireresistant. Um,\nI know Trex and Timbertech have some\n\n3530\n01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:11,040\nI know Trex and Timbertech have some\n \n\n3531\n01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,430\nI know Trex and Timbertech have some\ngood products out there.\n\n3532\n01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:13,440\ngood products out there.\n \n\n3533\n01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:16,870\ngood products out there.\nUm, I see somebody respond with the\n\n3534\n01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:16,880\nUm, I see somebody respond with the\n \n\n3535\n01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,310\nUm, I see somebody respond with the\nlist. Thank you. Um, yeah, James Hardy\n\n3536\n01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:20,320\nlist. Thank you. Um, yeah, James Hardy\n \n\n3537\n01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,189\nlist. Thank you. Um, yeah, James Hardy\nproducts. Okay.\n\n3538\n01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:23,199\nproducts. Okay.\n \n\n3539\n01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:25,350\nproducts. Okay.\nI don't know. We can speak to the\n\n3540\n01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:25,360\nI don't know. We can speak to the\n \n\n3541\n01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,189\nI don't know. We can speak to the\nrecording. Um, I'm in NorCal and I find\n\n3542\n01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:29,199\nrecording. Um, I'm in NorCal and I find\n \n\n3543\n01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,910\nrecording. Um, I'm in NorCal and I find\nyour message so right on. Experiential\n\n3544\n01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:31,920\nyour message so right on. Experiential\n \n\n3545\n01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,830\nyour message so right on. Experiential\ndesign is great practice. Thank you. And\n\n3546\n01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:33,840\ndesign is great practice. Thank you. And\n \n\n3547\n01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,070\ndesign is great practice. Thank you. And\nthen we also did an actual scientific\n\n3548\n01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:36,080\nthen we also did an actual scientific\n \n\n3549\n01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,590\nthen we also did an actual scientific\nresearch. There's a lot of research out\n\n3550\n01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:37,600\nresearch. There's a lot of research out\n \n\n3551\n01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,750\nresearch. There's a lot of research out\nthere. A lot.\n\n3552\n01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:39,760\nthere. A lot.\n \n\n3553\n01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,310\nthere. A lot.\nUh, what do you do about wooden siding\n\n3554\n01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:42,320\nUh, what do you do about wooden siding\n \n\n3555\n01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,149\nUh, what do you do about wooden siding\nin addition to the zone zero? That's\n\n3556\n01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:44,159\nin addition to the zone zero? That's\n \n\n3557\n01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:47,510\nin addition to the zone zero? That's\nfrom Willie. And okay, dirty little\n\n3558\n01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:47,520\nfrom Willie. And okay, dirty little\n \n\n3559\n01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,790\nfrom Willie. And okay, dirty little\nsecret. My house has cedar sighting.\n\n3560\n01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:50,800\nsecret. My house has cedar sighting.\n \n\n3561\n01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,950\nsecret. My house has cedar sighting.\nSo, I just keep the wood stuff from away\n\n3562\n01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:52,960\nSo, I just keep the wood stuff from away\n \n\n3563\n01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,110\nSo, I just keep the wood stuff from away\nfrom the house.\n\n3564\n01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:55,120\nfrom the house.\n \n\n3565\n01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,030\nfrom the house.\nUm,\n\n3566\n01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:57,040\nUm,\n \n\n3567\n01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,870\nUm,\nin general though, most of the modern\n\n3568\n01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:58,880\nin general though, most of the modern\n \n\n3569\n01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,830\nin general though, most of the modern\nsighting is no longer wood. It's either\n\n3570\n01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:01,840\nsighting is no longer wood. It's either\n \n\n3571\n01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,669\nsighting is no longer wood. It's either\naluminum or it's like a hardy product\n\n3572\n01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:05,679\naluminum or it's like a hardy product\n \n\n3573\n01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:07,189\naluminum or it's like a hardy product\nand\n\n3574\n01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:07,199\nand\n \n\n3575\n01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:10,310\nand\nthose are real fire resistant. Um, you\n\n3576\n01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:10,320\nthose are real fire resistant. Um, you\n \n\n3577\n01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,310\nthose are real fire resistant. Um, you\ncan get radiant heat up against stuckco\n\n3578\n01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:12,320\ncan get radiant heat up against stuckco\n \n\n3579\n01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,110\ncan get radiant heat up against stuckco\nand it'll burn uh the wall coverings on\n\n3580\n01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:15,120\nand it'll burn uh the wall coverings on\n \n\n3581\n01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,950\nand it'll burn uh the wall coverings on\nthe inside.\n\n3582\n01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:16,960\nthe inside.\n \n\n3583\n01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,990\nthe inside.\nUm,\n\n3584\n01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:20,000\n\n \n\n3585\n01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,229\n\ncheap check sheet check for cracks,\n\n3586\n01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:22,239\ncheap check sheet check for cracks,\n \n\n3587\n01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:24,229\ncheap check sheet check for cracks,\nloose boards, prevent ember intrusion,\n\n3588\n01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:24,239\nloose boards, prevent ember intrusion,\n \n\n3589\n01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,390\nloose boards, prevent ember intrusion,\nexpensive replace.\n\n3590\n01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:26,400\nexpensive replace.\n \n\n3591\n01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,189\nexpensive replace.\nYeah, that's great advice. Yeah. Uh,\n\n3592\n01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:29,199\nYeah, that's great advice. Yeah. Uh,\n \n\n3593\n01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:32,070\nYeah, that's great advice. Yeah. Uh,\nHugo, landscape architect in Berkeley,\n\n3594\n01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:32,080\nHugo, landscape architect in Berkeley,\n \n\n3595\n01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,870\nHugo, landscape architect in Berkeley,\nzone zero. Big issue. Yes. Lots of old\n\n3596\n01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:34,880\nzone zero. Big issue. Yes. Lots of old\n \n\n3597\n01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,629\nzone zero. Big issue. Yes. Lots of old\nhistoric houses with old established\n\n3598\n01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:36,639\nhistoric houses with old established\n \n\n3599\n01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:39,750\nhistoric houses with old established\ngardens. My thoughts. Well, again, it's\n\n3600\n01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:39,760\ngardens. My thoughts. Well, again, it's\n \n\n3601\n01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,390\ngardens. My thoughts. Well, again, it's\nit's it's site hygiene maintenance, you\n\n3602\n01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:42,400\nit's it's site hygiene maintenance, you\n \n\n3603\n01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,390\nit's it's site hygiene maintenance, you\nknow, and I I I don't even remember if I\n\n3604\n01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:46,400\nknow, and I I I don't even remember if I\n \n\n3605\n01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,790\nknow, and I I I don't even remember if I\nmentioned this. Sorry if I'm repeating\n\n3606\n01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:48,800\nmentioned this. Sorry if I'm repeating\n \n\n3607\n01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,830\nmentioned this. Sorry if I'm repeating\nmyself, but my\n\n3608\n01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:51,840\nmyself, but my\n \n\n3609\n01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,790\nmyself, but my\nresearch product research partner on the\n\n3610\n01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:54,800\nresearch product research partner on the\n \n\n3611\n01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,070\nresearch product research partner on the\nNavy project, Dr. John Keley used to own\n\n3612\n01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:58,080\nNavy project, Dr. John Keley used to own\n \n\n3613\n01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,830\nNavy project, Dr. John Keley used to own\na home in Aladena and it survived and it\n\n3614\n01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:01,840\na home in Aladena and it survived and it\n \n\n3615\n01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,910\na home in Aladena and it survived and it\nwas completely surrounded by hydrated\n\n3616\n01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:03,920\nwas completely surrounded by hydrated\n \n\n3617\n01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,510\nwas completely surrounded by hydrated\ntrees.\n\n3618\n01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:05,520\ntrees.\n \n\n3619\n01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,510\ntrees.\nThere's pictures from the Paradise Fire.\n\n3620\n01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:07,520\nThere's pictures from the Paradise Fire.\n \n\n3621\n01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,669\nThere's pictures from the Paradise Fire.\nI'm thinking of a specific instance\n\n3622\n01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:09,679\nI'm thinking of a specific instance\n \n\n3623\n01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:12,870\nI'm thinking of a specific instance\nwhere there is a mansion I mean well\n\n3624\n01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:12,880\nwhere there is a mansion I mean well\n \n\n3625\n01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,189\nwhere there is a mansion I mean well\nmansion large property\n\n3626\n01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:15,199\nmansion large property\n \n\n3627\n01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:17,510\nmansion large property\nthat was completely surround looked like\n\n3628\n01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:17,520\nthat was completely surround looked like\n \n\n3629\n01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,990\nthat was completely surround looked like\ndiodars actually but they're all\n\n3630\n01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:20,000\ndiodars actually but they're all\n \n\n3631\n01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,750\ndiodars actually but they're all\nhydrated.\n\n3632\n01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:21,760\nhydrated.\n \n\n3633\n01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,070\nhydrated.\nThe home was completely intact in the\n\n3634\n01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:24,080\nThe home was completely intact in the\n \n\n3635\n01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,390\nThe home was completely intact in the\nParadise Fire, but you look through the\n\n3636\n01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:26,400\nParadise Fire, but you look through the\n \n\n3637\n01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,229\nParadise Fire, but you look through the\ntrees, utter and complete devastation.\n\n3638\n01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:30,239\ntrees, utter and complete devastation.\n \n\n3639\n01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:35,669\ntrees, utter and complete devastation.\nOkay.\n\n3640\n01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:35,679\n\n \n\n3641\n01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:37,189\n\nUh,\n\n3642\n01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:37,199\nUh,\n \n\n3643\n01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:38,790\nUh,\ndoes anybody know how they decided on\n\n3644\n01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:38,800\ndoes anybody know how they decided on\n \n\n3645\n01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,310\ndoes anybody know how they decided on\nzone zero? I don't know. They didn't\n\n3646\n01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:40,320\nzone zero? I don't know. They didn't\n \n\n3647\n01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,950\nzone zero? I don't know. They didn't\ncall me, man. But you saw that we were\n\n3648\n01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:42,960\ncall me, man. But you saw that we were\n \n\n3649\n01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,709\ncall me, man. But you saw that we were\nalready starting to implement that. And\n\n3650\n01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:44,719\nalready starting to implement that. And\n \n\n3651\n01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:47,590\nalready starting to implement that. And\nthat was on Bert's advice back in the\n\n3652\n01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:47,600\nthat was on Bert's advice back in the\n \n\n3653\n01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,870\nthat was on Bert's advice back in the\n90s, right? We're doing these aprons,\n\n3654\n01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:50,880\n90s, right? We're doing these aprons,\n \n\n3655\n01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,750\n90s, right? We're doing these aprons,\nthese DG type things. Not unattractive,\n\n3656\n01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:53,760\nthese DG type things. Not unattractive,\n \n\n3657\n01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,070\nthese DG type things. Not unattractive,\nright? Give you good access to the\n\n3658\n01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:56,080\nright? Give you good access to the\n \n\n3659\n01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,110\nright? Give you good access to the\nhouse. Um, clean your windows and stuff,\n\n3660\n01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:59,120\nhouse. Um, clean your windows and stuff,\n \n\n3661\n01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,870\nhouse. Um, clean your windows and stuff,\nmaintain,\n\n3662\n01:25:00,870 --> 01:25:00,880\nmaintain,\n \n\n3663\n01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,350\nmaintain,\nbut again, I'm I'm of a couple of minds\n\n3664\n01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:03,360\nbut again, I'm I'm of a couple of minds\n \n\n3665\n01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,149\nbut again, I'm I'm of a couple of minds\non on retrofits. And I think they're\n\n3666\n01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:06,159\non on retrofits. And I think they're\n \n\n3667\n01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,870\non on retrofits. And I think they're\nasking for too drastic a thing when\n\n3668\n01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:08,880\nasking for too drastic a thing when\n \n\n3669\n01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,470\nasking for too drastic a thing when\nwe're seeing these hedges right against\n\n3670\n01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:10,480\nwe're seeing these hedges right against\n \n\n3671\n01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,550\nwe're seeing these hedges right against\nthe house, saving the damn house,\n\n3672\n01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:12,560\nthe house, saving the damn house,\n \n\n3673\n01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,510\nthe house, saving the damn house,\ntouching the house. Okay. I had a P\n\n3674\n01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:15,520\ntouching the house. Okay. I had a P\n \n\n3675\n01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,709\ntouching the house. Okay. I had a P\nclient in the Pines fire.\n\n3676\n01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:18,719\nclient in the Pines fire.\n \n\n3677\n01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:22,229\nclient in the Pines fire.\nWhat was that? 98 2000 up in Julian.\n\n3678\n01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:22,239\nWhat was that? 98 2000 up in Julian.\n \n\n3679\n01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:26,390\nWhat was that? 98 2000 up in Julian.\nThat fire came and this guy had mature\n\n3680\n01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:26,400\nThat fire came and this guy had mature\n \n\n3681\n01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,590\nThat fire came and this guy had mature\nmanzanas growing against his house like\n\n3682\n01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:29,600\nmanzanas growing against his house like\n \n\n3683\n01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,550\nmanzanas growing against his house like\na whole stand of these things. And even\n\n3684\n01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:32,560\na whole stand of these things. And even\n \n\n3685\n01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,030\na whole stand of these things. And even\nI was a little\n\n3686\n01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:35,040\nI was a little\n \n\n3687\n01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,149\nI was a little\nright. And\n\n3688\n01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:38,159\nright. And\n \n\n3689\n01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:41,590\nright. And\nthe Pines Fire came up from the canyon,\n\n3690\n01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:41,600\nthe Pines Fire came up from the canyon,\n \n\n3691\n01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,750\nthe Pines Fire came up from the canyon,\nhit that stand of lightly hydrated\n\n3692\n01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:43,760\nhit that stand of lightly hydrated\n \n\n3693\n01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,750\nhit that stand of lightly hydrated\nmanzanas.\n\n3694\n01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:45,760\nmanzanas.\n \n\n3695\n01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,830\nmanzanas.\nAgain, we see this a lot. Bifurcates,\n\n3696\n01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:47,840\nAgain, we see this a lot. Bifurcates,\n \n\n3697\n01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,070\nAgain, we see this a lot. Bifurcates,\nburns down both neighbors, and keeps on\n\n3698\n01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:50,080\nburns down both neighbors, and keeps on\n \n\n3699\n01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,590\nburns down both neighbors, and keeps on\ngoing.\n\n3700\n01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:51,600\ngoing.\n \n\n3701\n01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,510\ngoing.\nAll right, manzanita against the ease.\n\n3702\n01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:55,520\nAll right, manzanita against the ease.\n \n\n3703\n01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,149\nAll right, manzanita against the ease.\nOkay,\n\n3704\n01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:58,159\nOkay,\n \n\n3705\n01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:01,270\nOkay,\nI wouldn't recommend that, but clearly\n\n3706\n01:26:01,270 --> 01:26:01,280\nI wouldn't recommend that, but clearly\n \n\n3707\n01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,510\nI wouldn't recommend that, but clearly\nit really worked in this case. He was\n\n3708\n01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:03,520\nit really worked in this case. He was\n \n\n3709\n01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,550\nit really worked in this case. He was\namazed even himself. He has a he has an\n\n3710\n01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:06,560\namazed even himself. He has a he has an\n \n\n3711\n01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,189\namazed even himself. He has a he has an\npretty intact home. Both neighbors are\n\n3712\n01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:09,199\npretty intact home. Both neighbors are\n \n\n3713\n01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:12,390\npretty intact home. Both neighbors are\nunfortunately rubble.\n\n3714\n01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:12,400\nunfortunately rubble.\n \n\n3715\n01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,790\nunfortunately rubble.\nUm yeah,\n\n3716\n01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:14,800\nUm yeah,\n \n\n3717\n01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,470\nUm yeah,\na lot of times, by the way, a lot of\n\n3718\n01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:16,480\na lot of times, by the way, a lot of\n \n\n3719\n01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:18,709\na lot of times, by the way, a lot of\ntimes these decisions are being made at\n\n3720\n01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:18,719\ntimes these decisions are being made at\n \n\n3721\n01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:21,750\ntimes these decisions are being made at\na bureaucratic, political, managerial\n\n3722\n01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:21,760\na bureaucratic, political, managerial\n \n\n3723\n01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,990\na bureaucratic, political, managerial\nlevel. You go out and actually talk to\n\n3724\n01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:24,000\nlevel. You go out and actually talk to\n \n\n3725\n01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,070\nlevel. You go out and actually talk to\nreal firefighters\n\n3726\n01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:26,080\nreal firefighters\n \n\n3727\n01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,910\nreal firefighters\nand they'll pretty much confirm all this\n\n3728\n01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:27,920\nand they'll pretty much confirm all this\n \n\n3729\n01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,950\nand they'll pretty much confirm all this\nstuff. Oh yeah, that's how that's how it\n\n3730\n01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:30,960\nstuff. Oh yeah, that's how that's how it\n \n\n3731\n01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,870\nstuff. Oh yeah, that's how that's how it\nreally happens.\n\n3732\n01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:32,880\nreally happens.\n \n\n3733\n01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,149\nreally happens.\nUm, so\n\n3734\n01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:36,159\nUm, so\n \n\n3735\n01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,950\nUm, so\nI hope you know if if anybody's if there\n\n3736\n01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:38,960\nI hope you know if if anybody's if there\n \n\n3737\n01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,709\nI hope you know if if anybody's if there\nare any firefighters\n\n3738\n01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:40,719\nare any firefighters\n \n\n3739\n01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:43,350\nare any firefighters\nthat attended this, let me know in the\n\n3740\n01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:43,360\nthat attended this, let me know in the\n \n\n3741\n01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,149\nthat attended this, let me know in the\nchat because good on you. I really\n\n3742\n01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:46,159\nchat because good on you. I really\n \n\n3743\n01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:51,510\nchat because good on you. I really\nappreciate it, man. Um,\n\n3744\n01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:51,520\n\n \n\n3745\n01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,470\n\na Zoom call on Monday, June 16th at 10\n\n3746\n01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:54,480\na Zoom call on Monday, June 16th at 10\n \n\n3747\n01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,870\na Zoom call on Monday, June 16th at 10\na.m. where Board of Forestry will talk\n\n3748\n01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:56,880\na.m. where Board of Forestry will talk\n \n\n3749\n01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,270\na.m. where Board of Forestry will talk\nabout zone zero.\n\n3750\n01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:59,280\nabout zone zero.\n \n\n3751\n01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,390\nabout zone zero.\nUm\n\n3752\n01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:02,400\n\n \n\n3753\n01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,270\n\nRuina, are you are you still online? Can\n\n3754\n01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:05,280\nRuina, are you are you still online? Can\n \n\n3755\n01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,350\nRuina, are you are you still online? Can\nyou speak to that?\n\n3756\n01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:07,360\nyou speak to that?\n \n\n3757\n01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:12,310\nyou speak to that?\nYeah, I'm and I'm um you know I spoke to\n\n3758\n01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:12,320\nYeah, I'm and I'm um you know I spoke to\n \n\n3759\n01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,790\nYeah, I'm and I'm um you know I spoke to\none of the fire departments, Los Altos\n\n3760\n01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:14,800\none of the fire departments, Los Altos\n \n\n3761\n01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,350\none of the fire departments, Los Altos\nHills because I'm working on a project\n\n3762\n01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:17,360\nHills because I'm working on a project\n \n\n3763\n01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,550\nHills because I'm working on a project\nin Los Altos Hills and I was asking her\n\n3764\n01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:20,560\nin Los Altos Hills and I was asking her\n \n\n3765\n01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:24,390\nin Los Altos Hills and I was asking her\nabout zone zero, zone one and you know\n\n3766\n01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:24,400\nabout zone zero, zone one and you know\n \n\n3767\n01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,510\nabout zone zero, zone one and you know\nwood fencing and all the material that\n\n3768\n01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:27,520\nwood fencing and all the material that\n \n\n3769\n01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,310\nwood fencing and all the material that\nyou discussed today and she said that\n\n3770\n01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:30,320\nyou discussed today and she said that\n \n\n3771\n01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,629\nyou discussed today and she said that\nthe board of forestry is going to have a\n\n3772\n01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:32,639\nthe board of forestry is going to have a\n \n\n3773\n01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:35,990\nthe board of forestry is going to have a\ncall on Monday, next Monday and they're\n\n3774\n01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:36,000\ncall on Monday, next Monday and they're\n \n\n3775\n01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,830\ncall on Monday, next Monday and they're\ngoing to talk about zone zero and about\n\n3776\n01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:39,840\ngoing to talk about zone zero and about\n \n\n3777\n01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,390\ngoing to talk about zone zero and about\nfencing touching the house, wood fencing\n\n3778\n01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:42,400\nfencing touching the house, wood fencing\n \n\n3779\n01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,470\nfencing touching the house, wood fencing\ntouching the house. And\n that's a good\n\n3780\n01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:44,480\ntouching the house. And\n that's a good\n \n\n3781\n01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,629\ntouching the house. And\n that's a good\none actually. That's important.\n Yeah.\n\n3782\n01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:46,639\none actually. That's important.\n Yeah.\n \n\n3783\n01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:48,709\none actually. That's important.\n Yeah.\nSo, they they're going to talk about\n\n3784\n01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:48,719\nSo, they they're going to talk about\n \n\n3785\n01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,950\nSo, they they're going to talk about\ncement walls and how they protect the\n\n3786\n01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:50,960\ncement walls and how they protect the\n \n\n3787\n01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,350\ncement walls and how they protect the\nhouse. And so, I was planning to get on\n\n3788\n01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:53,360\nhouse. And so, I was planning to get on\n \n\n3789\n01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,149\nhouse. And so, I was planning to get on\nthat call if I can.\n\n3790\n01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:56,159\nthat call if I can.\n \n\n3791\n01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:58,790\nthat call if I can.\nIs there any way that I I don't even\n\n3792\n01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:58,800\nIs there any way that I I don't even\n \n\n3793\n01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,870\nIs there any way that I I don't even\nknow if I'm available on Monday, but is\n\n3794\n01:28:00,870 --> 01:28:00,880\nknow if I'm available on Monday, but is\n \n\n3795\n01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:02,149\nknow if I'm available on Monday, but is\nthere any way I could potentially get\n\n3796\n01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:02,159\nthere any way I could potentially get\n \n\n3797\n01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:03,990\nthere any way I could potentially get\ninvolved?\n\n3798\n01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:04,000\ninvolved?\n \n\n3799\n01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,149\ninvolved?\nYeah, sure. I can send you the link if I\n\n3800\n01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:06,159\nYeah, sure. I can send you the link if I\n \n\n3801\n01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:07,910\nYeah, sure. I can send you the link if I\nyou know if I'm able to find the Zoom\n\n3802\n01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:07,920\nyou know if I'm able to find the Zoom\n \n\n3803\n01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,870\nyou know if I'm able to find the Zoom\nlink I can send\n Oh, that would be great.\n\n3804\n01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:10,880\nlink I can send\n Oh, that would be great.\n \n\n3805\n01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,990\nlink I can send\n Oh, that would be great.\nYeah. Yeah. I I noted down your email\n\n3806\n01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:14,000\nYeah. Yeah. I I noted down your email\n \n\n3807\n01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:18,629\nYeah. Yeah. I I noted down your email\naddress. Um\n yes, that's a good address.\n\n3808\n01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:18,639\naddress. Um\n yes, that's a good address.\n \n\n3809\n01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:21,189\naddress. Um\n yes, that's a good address.\nSo the one that you had uh on your\n\n3810\n01:28:21,189 --> 01:28:21,199\nSo the one that you had uh on your\n \n\n3811\n01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:25,750\nSo the one that you had uh on your\npresentation, right? Let me see.\n Okay, I\n\n3812\n01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:25,760\npresentation, right? Let me see.\n Okay, I\n \n\n3813\n01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,350\npresentation, right? Let me see.\n Okay, I\nwill send you I will send you the link.\n\n3814\n01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:27,360\nwill send you I will send you the link.\n \n\n3815\n01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,590\nwill send you I will send you the link.\nI'll look for it because I'm also trying\n\n3816\n01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:29,600\nI'll look for it because I'm also trying\n \n\n3817\n01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,189\nI'll look for it because I'm also trying\nYeah.\n Yeah. there's a lot of\n\n3818\n01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:31,199\nYeah.\n Yeah. there's a lot of\n \n\n3819\n01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:34,229\nYeah.\n Yeah. there's a lot of\ncontradictory um information you know\n\n3820\n01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:34,239\ncontradictory um information you know\n \n\n3821\n01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:37,189\ncontradictory um information you know\nfrom the fire state departments and then\n\n3822\n01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:37,199\nfrom the fire state departments and then\n \n\n3823\n01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:39,590\nfrom the fire state departments and then\neach county has a different plant list\n\n3824\n01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:39,600\neach county has a different plant list\n \n\n3825\n01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,070\neach county has a different plant list\nand sometimes the plants that are on the\n\n3826\n01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:42,080\nand sometimes the plants that are on the\n \n\n3827\n01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,750\nand sometimes the plants that are on the\nlist are not exactly drought tolerant.\n\n3828\n01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:45,760\nlist are not exactly drought tolerant.\n \n\n3829\n01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,390\nlist are not exactly drought tolerant.\nSo you know it's it's kind of difficult\n\n3830\n01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:48,400\nSo you know it's it's kind of difficult\n \n\n3831\n01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,910\nSo you know it's it's kind of difficult\nto use fires safe plants that are also\n\n3832\n01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:51,920\nto use fires safe plants that are also\n \n\n3833\n01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:56,390\nto use fires safe plants that are also\ndrought tolerant. So that that was my\n\n3834\n01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:56,400\ndrought tolerant. So that that was my\n \n\n3835\n01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,709\ndrought tolerant. So that that was my\nI talked to the fire department when I\n\n3836\n01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:58,719\nI talked to the fire department when I\n \n\n3837\n01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:00,709\nI talked to the fire department when I\nhave questions. So this morning I had a\n\n3838\n01:29:00,709 --> 01:29:00,719\nhave questions. So this morning I had a\n \n\n3839\n01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:02,390\nhave questions. So this morning I had a\ncall with the lady.\n Well, I can I can\n\n3840\n01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:02,400\ncall with the lady.\n Well, I can I can\n \n\n3841\n01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,030\ncall with the lady.\n Well, I can I can\ntell you from experience that there is\n\n3842\n01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:05,040\ntell you from experience that there is\n \n\n3843\n01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,590\ntell you from experience that there is\nno such thing as a fires safe plant.\n\n3844\n01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:07,600\nno such thing as a fires safe plant.\n \n\n3845\n01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,390\nno such thing as a fires safe plant.\nAnything can burn. Most things can be\n\n3846\n01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:10,400\nAnything can burn. Most things can be\n \n\n3847\n01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,270\nAnything can burn. Most things can be\nhydrated to the point of\n\n3848\n01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:13,280\nhydrated to the point of\n \n\n3849\n01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,350\nhydrated to the point of\nadequate LFMC\n\n3850\n01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:15,360\nadequate LFMC\n \n\n3851\n01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,629\nadequate LFMC\nto be considered fire resistant.\n\n3852\n01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:18,639\nto be considered fire resistant.\n \n\n3853\n01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:21,669\nto be considered fire resistant.\nAnd so this holds for non-natives as\n\n3854\n01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:21,679\nAnd so this holds for non-natives as\n \n\n3855\n01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:24,149\nAnd so this holds for non-natives as\nwell as natives. It's just the coral\n\n3856\n01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:24,159\nwell as natives. It's just the coral\n \n\n3857\n01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:25,430\nwell as natives. It's just the coral\narea that it takes so little\n\n3858\n01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:25,440\narea that it takes so little\n \n\n3859\n01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:27,430\narea that it takes so little\nsupplemental water to actually hydrate a\n\n3860\n01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:27,440\nsupplemental water to actually hydrate a\n \n\n3861\n01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,629\nsupplemental water to actually hydrate a\nnative plant. plus, you know, habitat,\n\n3862\n01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:30,639\nnative plant. plus, you know, habitat,\n \n\n3863\n01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:33,430\nnative plant. plus, you know, habitat,\nbeauty, regional identity, erosion\n\n3864\n01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:33,440\nbeauty, regional identity, erosion\n \n\n3865\n01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:35,430\nbeauty, regional identity, erosion\ncontrol, low maintenance, low water, all\n\n3866\n01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:35,440\ncontrol, low maintenance, low water, all\n \n\n3867\n01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:38,390\ncontrol, low maintenance, low water, all\nthat stuff, right? And they're fun,\n\n3868\n01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:38,400\nthat stuff, right? And they're fun,\n \n\n3869\n01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,070\nthat stuff, right? And they're fun,\nright? And now they made them the\n\n3870\n01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:40,080\nright? And now they made them the\n \n\n3871\n01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,590\nright? And now they made them the\nboogeyman and they're doing all the\n\n3872\n01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:41,600\nboogeyman and they're doing all the\n \n\n3873\n01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,830\nboogeyman and they're doing all the\nwrong things and completely exposing\n\n3874\n01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:43,840\nwrong things and completely exposing\n \n\n3875\n01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,149\nwrong things and completely exposing\nthese houses\n\n3876\n01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:46,159\nthese houses\n \n\n3877\n01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:49,189\nthese houses\nto wind driven fire. The all this comes\n\n3878\n01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:49,199\nto wind driven fire. The all this comes\n \n\n3879\n01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:51,830\nto wind driven fire. The all this comes\nout of the modeling of fire as fuel\n\n3880\n01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:51,840\nout of the modeling of fire as fuel\n \n\n3881\n01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,110\nout of the modeling of fire as fuel\ndriven. And yes, occasionally we have\n\n3882\n01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:55,120\ndriven. And yes, occasionally we have\n \n\n3883\n01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:56,709\ndriven. And yes, occasionally we have\nfuel driven fires, but they're very\n\n3884\n01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:56,719\nfuel driven fires, but they're very\n \n\n3885\n01:29:56,719 --> 01:29:59,350\nfuel driven fires, but they're very\nrare. usually up in the ridgeel lines\n\n3886\n01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:59,360\nrare. usually up in the ridgeel lines\n \n\n3887\n01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,310\nrare. usually up in the ridgeel lines\nwhere the forests are and forest fires\n\n3888\n01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:02,320\nwhere the forests are and forest fires\n \n\n3889\n01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,229\nwhere the forests are and forest fires\nare completely different animal a\n\n3890\n01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:04,239\nare completely different animal a\n \n\n3891\n01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,790\nare completely different animal a\ncompletely different regime.\n\n3892\n01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:06,800\ncompletely different regime.\n \n\n3893\n01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,750\ncompletely different regime.\nOkay, they're not typically wind driven.\n\n3894\n01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:09,760\nOkay, they're not typically wind driven.\n \n\n3895\n01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,669\nOkay, they're not typically wind driven.\nThey're usually thunderstorm started and\n\n3896\n01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:11,679\nThey're usually thunderstorm started and\n \n\n3897\n01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:13,590\nThey're usually thunderstorm started and\nthey usually go out very quickly on\n\n3898\n01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:13,600\nthey usually go out very quickly on\n \n\n3899\n01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,149\nthey usually go out very quickly on\ntheir own. All right,\n I hate to do this.\n\n3900\n01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:16,159\ntheir own. All right,\n I hate to do this.\n \n\n3901\n01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:18,310\ntheir own. All right,\n I hate to do this.\nThen when Santa Ana winds or your\n\n3902\n01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:18,320\nThen when Santa Ana winds or your\n \n\n3903\n01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:19,990\nThen when Santa Ana winds or your\noffshore winds like they're experiencing\n\n3904\n01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:20,000\noffshore winds like they're experiencing\n \n\n3905\n01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,229\noffshore winds like they're experiencing\nup there more frequently,\n\n3906\n01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:22,239\nup there more frequently,\n \n\n3907\n01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:24,550\nup there more frequently,\nnow we're off to the races.\n\n3908\n01:30:24,550 --> 01:30:24,560\nnow we're off to the races.\n \n\n3909\n01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,590\nnow we're off to the races.\nI hate to do this, but\n\n3910\n01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:27,600\nI hate to do this, but\n \n\n3911\n01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,030\nI hate to do this, but\nuh we're going to have to stop\n\n3912\n01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:29,040\nuh we're going to have to stop\n \n\n3913\n01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,470\nuh we're going to have to stop\nrecording. It's been an absolutely\n\n3914\n01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:32,480\nrecording. It's been an absolutely\n \n\n3915\n01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:34,870\nrecording. It's been an absolutely\nwonderful presentation. I think I've\n\n3916\n01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:34,880\nwonderful presentation. I think I've\n \n\n3917\n01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,830\nwonderful presentation. I think I've\nlearned more uh in this hour and a half\n\n3918\n01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:37,840\nlearned more uh in this hour and a half\n \n\n3919\n01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,270\nlearned more uh in this hour and a half\nthan than most others, you know, for\n\n3920\n01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:41,280\nthan than most others, you know, for\n \n\n3921\n01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,750\nthan than most others, you know, for\nhours and hours. So,\n yeah,\n thank you,\n\n3922\n01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:43,760\nhours and hours. So,\n yeah,\n thank you,\n \n\n3923\n01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:44,629\nhours and hours. So,\n yeah,\n thank you,\nGreg.\n\n3924\n01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:44,639\nGreg.\n \n\n3925\n01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:47,110\nGreg.\nThis is a really crazy\n and thank\n\n3926\n01:30:47,110 --> 01:30:47,120\nThis is a really crazy\n and thank\n \n\n3927\n01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,070\nThis is a really crazy\n and thank\neverybody for attending and uh check\n\n3928\n01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:50,080\neverybody for attending and uh check\n \n\n3929\n01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,709\neverybody for attending and uh check\nback in to small firm forum sometime if\n\n3930\n01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:52,719\nback in to small firm forum sometime if\n \n\n3931\n01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:56,229\nback in to small firm forum sometime if\nyou uh want to want to see more of our\n\n3932\n01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:56,239\nyou uh want to want to see more of our\n \n\n3933\n01:30:56,239 --> 01:30:58,790\nyou uh want to want to see more of our\npresentations.\n\n3934\n01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:58,800\npresentations.\n \n\n3935\n01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,070\npresentations.\nThank you so much.\n Thank you. Thanks,\n\n3936\n01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:02,080\nThank you so much.\n Thank you. Thanks,\n \n\n3937\n01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,590\nThank you so much.\n Thank you. Thanks,\nGreg.\n Thanks, guys. It was a real honor\n\n3938\n01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:05,600\nGreg.\n Thanks, guys. It was a real honor\n \n\n3939\n01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,350\nGreg.\n Thanks, guys. It was a real honor\nand pleasure speaking to you and I\n\n3940\n01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:07,360\nand pleasure speaking to you and I\n \n\n3941\n01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,750\nand pleasure speaking to you and I\nreally appreciate the good turnout and\n\n3942\n01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:09,760\nreally appreciate the good turnout and\n \n\n3943\n01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,030\nreally appreciate the good turnout and\nwe're just trying to get the word out,\n\n3944\n01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:11,040\nwe're just trying to get the word out,\n \n\n3945\n01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:15,520\nwe're just trying to get the word out,\nespecially in Northern California, man." ], "output": "ArchiveError: Failed to save media", "pwd": "/data/archive/1751767326.981296", "schema": "ArchiveResult", "start_ts": "2025-07-06T02:03:49.449472+00:00", "status": "failed" } ], "mercury": [ { "cmd": [ "/home/archivebox/.npm/bin/postlight-parser", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsUIgIqJjY" ], "cmd_version": "2.2.3", "end_ts": "2025-07-06T02:03:44.986782+00:00", "index_texts": null, "output": "mercury/", "pwd": "/data/archive/1751767326.981296", "schema": "ArchiveResult", "start_ts": "2025-07-06T02:03:39.669648+00:00", "status": "succeeded" } ], "pdf": [], "readability": [ { "cmd": [ "/home/archivebox/.npm/bin/readability-extractor", "/tmp/tmpjgt25lvo", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SsUIgIqJjY" ], "cmd_version": "0.0.11", "end_ts": "2025-07-06T02:03:27.379277+00:00", "index_texts": [ "As we recover from the horrific fire events in Los Angeles and elsewhere, it is apparent that the response has been, at times, panicked (understandably) and frequently ill-conceived. 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